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spurgeonryan said:
scottie said:
Hmm, probably fairly different.

WWI - would have taken a while longer for the allies to win without the USA. Because of the increased damage done to the allies during the longer war, the conditions in the treaty of Versailles would have been even more severe. This would have led to WWII occurring sooner. It would probably be this, more than the direct absence of the USA that would have made WWII more difficult for the allies, potentially even to the extent that the axis could have won. After that, history has diverged so much that it's impossible to tell what would happen.


Or maybe WW2 would have never happened. Depends on how hard these other countries were on whoever was the winner. Be ruthless enough .as we have seen in history. and you get a big deterrent for a long time.


I don't know how much more harsh the allies could have been than they were with the treaty of Versailles;

 

Reparations (paying the victors for costs incurred during the war), which, if Germany had met their obligations, would not have been paid back untill 1988.

Germany had to formally accept solitary responsibility for starting the war, which was not the case.

German territory was occupied by the victors for 15 years (and obviously all territory the German's conquered during the war was returned)

There were also unreasonable limits on the German army

Maximum 100k troops, and troops could only be retained for 12-15 years, to prevent the formation of an elite army

Restrictive limits on the german navy, submarines were banned outright for example.

Limits on the German air force (no armed planes allowed) and army (no tanks or armoured cars allowed)

 

The treaty was designed to destroy Germany, it merely angered her.



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Yeah the treaty of Versailles is seen as one of the biggest mistakes in history.



scottie said:


Reparations (paying the victors for costs incurred during the war), which, if Germany had met their obligations, would not have been paid back untill 1988.

 

Yeah - we actually made our last reparations payment for WW1 just last year (03rd October 2010). It's crazy that it took so long, but 92 years after the fact it's finally paid off.



 

Salnax said:
Completely Different. No American Revolution, no French Revolution, meaning a weaker Germany and Italy, no modernization of European law, no modern politics, no independence in Latin America, Balkanization of the continent, a bigger Mexico equivalent, increased British power, and that's just based on the first few decades!

Why no French Revolution? The intellectual and socioeconomic seeds were all there. Although the tipping point was the money spent by the monarchy on supporting the American Revolution, the result was inevitable whether France had participated or not, or whether America had won or lost the fight



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That infographic is very cool.



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I honestly have no idea. I think that there would be allot less wars (there hasn't been a single day of peace since the american civil war) I recognize that america hasn't started all those wars but it has caused allot. Im not sure if WW2 would have ended though and i think that without america we would all be slaves of the Nazis :(

In all fairness i dont like america. Its not the people (most of them are very nice) i just think its too damn powerful for its own good and it needs to do something other than create their own (phony) wars. It also needs to stop being so arrogant and boastful lets remember that america is in nearly as much debt as the country is worth and its not the only one with a big army.

I am British. I did not like colonial Britain because it too was too powerful and boastful but i love my country from WW2 onward as it scaled down whilst proving it was still a major power by fighting off the Germans alone.



Wait... does this mean im not human?

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NobleTeam360 said:
Without America Europe would of been conquered in WWI let alone WWII.

I doubt we would have lost WW1 because Germany wasnt making any progress whether america was there or not and gave in for financial resons not because america made a miraculous attack that ended the war.

I do however think WW2 would have gone far worse



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A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. - Nelson Mandela

A radical is a man with his feet planted firmly in the air. - Franklin.D.Roosevelt

 

Blacksaber said:
99.99%-100% of the people on these forums would never been born..


So true, If it wasn't for Americans, I wouldn't have been born.  My dad is from N. Korea and my mom from S.



I have a question, if America did not exist, do we all assume its under British Control?

It all depends, would America have developed into such a strong nation under British control. The American desire for progress really made them in a powerhouse, and I wonder if that would happened under British control. Likely Mexico would include, New Mexico, Arizona, parts of Texas and Nevada and California, also the Louisiana purchase also is a big unknown.

Anyways, even if the British won the revolutionary war, I am quite certain when the British banned slavery that would started the problems we saw in the American civil war anyways.




Nonetheless, the British would have been even more dominate in the world and would likley be able to win against Napoleon and deal with any challenge really. Also, America would grow in size to dominate the British Empire but would still easily fight in any war in Europe.



under German rule most likely.
food would be very very very expensive since america is the worlds bread basket.
oil prices would be lower most likely but the food increase would be more
no MS = no windows= fail macbooks will keep computing too expensive for the average person
no google, or any other search engine
internet would have taken much longer to create...
yea world would suck without america.