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Sqrl on 09 January 2008
Bruceongames said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Cousens is upset because he knows he can't compete with Nintendo on the Wii, his company's games are garbage by comparison, so he fears a Nintendo dominated market

 

He also has 25 years industry experience. That is 25 years of working 40+ hour weeks, knowing all the key people and making a lot of important decisions. His nail clippings contain more game industry knowledge than several people on this forum put together. As has been demonstrated in this thread. Yet you think you know better. I bet you do brian surgery and design halon colliders in your spare time. There is a massive difference between fanboys and industry professionals but you don't have the education to realise it.


You can have all the experience in the world and still be dead wrong, the gaming industry's graveyard can attest to that much.  History in general is littered with the corpses of groups and people who refused to change and were left behind.

But the only question I have is this: At what point does your self-aspoused professionalism kick in?  When do you realize that this is doing more harm than good? And when do you take the high road and walk away?

Right now I see petty argument, stubborn refusal to give consideration to opposing views, and a generally rude demeanor..things I would consider to be the antithesis of how a professional would act.

You sir, are nothing more than a fanboy with an education. 

 
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Avinash_Tyagi on 09 January 2008
Bruceongames said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Cousens is upset because he knows he can't compete with Nintendo on the Wii, his company's games are garbage by comparison, so he fears a Nintendo dominated market

 

He also has 25 years industry experience. That is 25 years of working 40+ hour weeks, knowing all the key people and making a lot of important decisions. His nail clippings contain more game industry knowledge than several people on this forum put together. As has been demonstrated in this thread. Yet you think you know better. I bet you do brian surgery and design halon colliders in your spare time. There is a massive difference between fanboys and industry professionals but you don't have the education to realise it.

A person with an education who makes an incorrect statement, is no less wrong than someone who has no education, he's wrong, plain and simple.  He refuses to accpet that the industry is changing, it would have been accpetable if Wii had come out of no where, but we have already seen the DS blaze the trail tha tthe Wii is following, and yet people like him refuse to accpe the facts out of fear.  To erris human, but to repeat the same mistakes over and over again and hope that the outcome is different is the pinnacle of stupidity



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Faxanadu on 09 January 2008

@avinash, sqrl et al:

why dont you guys just leave it and ignore this guy. He clearly has some issues with polite discussion, as he is always insulting anyone having a different opinion. Something like "but you dont have the education to ralise it" to unknown people in the internet is just pathetic and speaks volumes about the quality this guy has.

Just ignore him and he might go away.



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thx1138 on 09 January 2008

I still believe the biggest flaw in everyones worship of the Wii is that it's biggest differentiator is also low hanging fruit. I think only stubborness has stopped MS and Sony from releasing there own WiiMote type controller. Once they realize that they need that type of controller to attract the casual and the mother who thinks her kids are more active with a Wii they will release that type of controller.

Guitar Hero and WiiFit prove that releasing a game with a controller can be successful. MS releasing a WiiSports clone, say LiveSports with a WiiMote type controller doesnt kill the Wii, but it takes away a differentiator. Makes someone say why not a 360 and get best of both worlds.



Libraries sell systems not individual games

Avinash_Tyagi on 09 January 2008
thx1138 said:
I still believe the biggest flaw in everyones worship of the Wii is that it's biggest differentiator is also low hanging fruit. I think only stubborness has stopped MS and Sony from releasing there own WiiMote type controller. Once they realize that they need that type of controller to attract the casual and the mother who thinks her kids are more active with a Wii they will release that type of controller.

Guitar Hero and WiiFit prove that releasing a game with a controller can be successful. MS releasing a WiiSports clone, say LiveSports with a WiiMote type controller doesnt kill the Wii, but it takes away a differentiator. Makes someone say why not a 360 and get best of both worlds.

 1 flaw in that, not every game will use it if its not part of the main system



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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thx1138 on 09 January 2008
Avinash_Tyagi said:
thx1138 said:
I still believe the biggest flaw in everyones worship of the Wii is that it's biggest differentiator is also low hanging fruit. I think only stubborness has stopped MS and Sony from releasing there own WiiMote type controller. Once they realize that they need that type of controller to attract the casual and the mother who thinks her kids are more active with a Wii they will release that type of controller.

Guitar Hero and WiiFit prove that releasing a game with a controller can be successful. MS releasing a WiiSports clone, say LiveSports with a WiiMote type controller doesnt kill the Wii, but it takes away a differentiator. Makes someone say why not a 360 and get best of both worlds.

 1 flaw in that, not every game will use it if its not part of the main system


Funny, last time I checked not every game (particularly some of the most popular) dont use the WiiMote to much extent at all. Doesnt only WiiFit use the board?



Libraries sell systems not individual games

thx1138 on 09 January 2008
Avinash_Tyagi said:
thx1138 said:
I still believe the biggest flaw in everyones worship of the Wii is that it's biggest differentiator is also low hanging fruit. I think only stubborness has stopped MS and Sony from releasing there own WiiMote type controller. Once they realize that they need that type of controller to attract the casual and the mother who thinks her kids are more active with a Wii they will release that type of controller.

Guitar Hero and WiiFit prove that releasing a game with a controller can be successful. MS releasing a WiiSports clone, say LiveSports with a WiiMote type controller doesnt kill the Wii, but it takes away a differentiator. Makes someone say why not a 360 and get best of both worlds.

 1 flaw in that, not every game will use it if its not part of the main system


Funny, last time I checked not every game (particularly some of the most popular) dont use the WiiMote to much extent at all. Doesnt only WiiFit use the board?



Libraries sell systems not individual games

Avinash_Tyagi on 09 January 2008
thx1138 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
thx1138 said:
I still believe the biggest flaw in everyones worship of the Wii is that it's biggest differentiator is also low hanging fruit. I think only stubborness has stopped MS and Sony from releasing there own WiiMote type controller. Once they realize that they need that type of controller to attract the casual and the mother who thinks her kids are more active with a Wii they will release that type of controller.

Guitar Hero and WiiFit prove that releasing a game with a controller can be successful. MS releasing a WiiSports clone, say LiveSports with a WiiMote type controller doesnt kill the Wii, but it takes away a differentiator. Makes someone say why not a 360 and get best of both worlds.

 1 flaw in that, not every game will use it if its not part of the main system


Funny, last time I checked not every game (particularly some of the most popular) dont use the WiiMote to much extent at all. Doesnt only WiiFit use the board?


 Actually most of the really popular use it alot (mario Party, Mario and Sonic, etc.), and almost every game uses it to some extent, with addons its not as easily adopted becasue only a few games use it.

 

We will have to see about Wii fit, so far only one third party game has said they will use the board 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

celine on 09 January 2008

Welcome to VGchartz Bruce .
( I didn't read the whole thread - it's 4 page ... )
If you are really interested in understanding Wii/DS phenomenon I suggest you to read Sean Malstrom's Articles :
http://malstrom.50webs.com/index.htm
http://thewiikly.zogdog.com/author.php?author=8

They are very insightful ( articles on TheWiikly was written before Wii launch ).
Have a good day.



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Bruceongames on 09 January 2008
celine said:
Welcome to VGchartz Bruce .
( I didn't read the whole thread - it's 4 page ... )
If you are really interested in understanding Wii/DS phenomenon I suggest you to read Sean Malstrom's Articles :
http://malstrom.50webs.com/index.htm
http://thewiikly.zogdog.com/author.php?author=8

They are very insightful ( articles on TheWiikly was written before Wii launch ).
Have a good day.

If you are really interested in understanding the Wii phenomenon I suggest that you read my blog. Try this article for starters http://www.bruceongames.com/2007/10/17/is-wii-a-bubble/ Also this one http://www.bruceongames.com/2007/09/03/what-is-nintendo/ And this: http://www.bruceongames.com/2007/10/02/the-future-it-is-all-a-gesture/ A chance for all you fanboys to learn how it really is from an industry professional.

Incisive and erudite blog by game industry professional.

http://www.bruceongames.com/