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Well, my whole point in bitching was based on you being on welfare, not receiving disability coverage. They are two completely different things.

Welfare is to help somebody get by in a super tough time in life that may be caused by unemployment, etc. This money shouldn't be used to buy unnecessary things. In my opinion, for somebody to spend welfare money on entertainment purposes is absolute bullshit. They are getting welfare because shit went wrong, and this money should be going towards all their monthly bills, and expenses towards finding a new job (even if it is a minimum wage job). It isn't meant to allow the person to continue living with all sorts of bonuses, such as an expensive ass smart phone, all sorts of electronics/video games, etc.

Disability is to aid somebody through life who is either partially or completely disabled, and may or may not be able to work. In my opinion, for somebody to spend disability money on entertainment purposes is awesome. It tells me that my taxpayer money is allowing somebody who has limited work opportunities to go through life with the same extras available to everybody else.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Lol I remember a politician wanted to launch an inquiry over why so many people on welfare were buying alcohol...


A socialist countered with " I buy alcohol why can't people on welfare"


Oh man no wonder I move over to the other side of the spectrum.



NiKKoM said:
Joelcool7 said:

P.S- I volunteer.

I'm sorry but I do not leech off society. I do not resort to crimes and while I did got bat shit today its because I wait all year to buy the stuff I want.

Buying 1000 dollar on electronics is leeching while on welfare,

 

Look the main reason I am going so ballistic is the statement that I am leeching or that most of those accepting welfare or disability are leeches. That is why I brought up my volunteer work and what I contribute to society because I am definitly no leech as others suggest of myself and others on welfare/disability. In fact you have to wonder who the real leeches are (If we are)? Isn't the one percent that makes so much money doing less work then everyone else, making that money by selling stuff for as much profit as possible to the people who make next to nothing. The companies that sell products for a profit that they make in a third world swet shop then sell to American's who can't afford it. Or the people who run or work at Banks and get poor people or middle class folks and take every dime they've got.

A Capitalist Society is full of leeches if we go by those standards. Every successful person in North America is successful because of those who aren't. I mean I once recently heard this pretty boy lawyer with his fancy sports car tell my buddy who is a construction worker that he's scum and needs to get a real job. This is what pisses me off, the rich wealthy guy who makes his money by talking a few hours a day thinks because he makes more money that somehow he deserves a better life then the construction worker who works 12 hour days in the heat making barely crumbs. Really isn't every single American actually a leech on the rest of the world who are a leech on everyone else. Look if you classify someone as a leech for accepting some assistance from taxes, what do you call the millionares and middle upper class people who make all their money selling stuff to people for more then they know its worth? When a company turns a 20-40% profit on something how can you get upset that your little 12% taxes or what ever is helping out some poor guy so he can get a job or who can't find one.

Look what I'm trying to say is its really easy when you aren't poor to call the poor guys leeches (Which you never called me but said I am leeching). But your own job is likely taking advantage of somebody else and leeching off of them. Calling anyone a leech is just hilarious I don't consider every wealthy person a leech, rather they were intelligent and they worked hard they happened to get lucky. I can call them greedy but I don't think they are leeches as they contribute to society. But if your not going to call the upper class and middle class leeches you really can't call the lower class leeches. The welfare users aren't leeching anymore off of you then Bill Gates is when you buy a PC or the bank is when you pay that 5$ transaction fee or Best Buy/Walmart or even your local store is when they sell you something at a profit more then operating costs.

If you truly want to say your not a leech in some way? Well go buy a farm and eat the food you make, build the house you want with your own two hands and live off the land. That is about the only way you can claim that you are in no way a leech.

 

NiKKoM said:

Joe, again, it's not wrong to be on social services, good luck with all your problems and troubles, but where you spend the money on.. your smarter then that.. spending 1000 dollar on games, movies etc isn't a smart thing to do, thats like 2 videogames a month, even I don't buy 2 a month. you could have saved it to improve your living with your dad or something like that.. I'll probably (hopelfully) see none of my (tax) money spend into the  system back personally, it's not my money anymore, it's for the people who need it more then someone who spends it on videogames. you shouldn't compare to immates but to that single mother of 3 children who is on welfare. be wise where you spend the money on in the future.. that's all we are saying.

 

Yes I am smarter then that, but I have been in foster care half my life and when I wasn't my mom was poor dirt poor my whole life I have seen my mom work extremely hard and I work extremely hard. Yet no matter how hard I work and no matter how hard my family works and my friends with disabilities and such our lives can never improve without winning the lottery or taking a massive risk.

I have struggled with extreme depression in the past. Video games have helped me a ton with that, my psychiatrist when I was younger actually ordered my mom to make me play Pokemon. He said it would improve my math skills, social skills and keep me occupied and control my anxiety etc...etc... Movies and games are a passion of mine and are essential in making life bearable.

You might not buy 2 games a month. Also considering I have bought four games all year pretty much other then the few I just bought on Black Friday that is not 2 games a month. The movies of course are as well.

(Taxes) your absolutely right but my money that was seized was not taxes. It was my income and had I saved that money I would probably still have money left right now based on my spending habits.

Lastly a mother and her three children, do they deserve to be treated worse and live worse life styles then a murderer? Or really any criminal who is stealing , killing or comitting a crime that gets them thrown in jail? Even if you took away all of the perks prisoners get in prison the TV's etc....etc... It still costs more to keep someone in prison then it does to pay the welfare of a citizen.

Also you really don't know my situation all that well. I live in the cheapest peice of shit apartment for a reason. In BC the law is that the rent can't be raised by more then 25$ a year with existing tennants. I am one of the oldest tennants in this peice of shit. We already save 300+ rent on our apartment because we haven't moved. The managment tries to get us out because they can rent our apartment for 899$ a month and we currently pay 620$ combined. Say I had saved that 1,000$ it wouldn't have improved my living conditions at all maybe I could have bought some better food then what I eat. But in reality what would that 1,000$ have improved? The cheapest one room apartment I could find rents for 459.99$ a month and is way on the other end of town without bus service and such. I can't move.

In the end the movies and games do benefit my life better then almost anything else I could have spent it on. My mom freaks because I usually only eat one meal a day, she said I could eat more but honestly I have lived off of a meal or less a day for years and guess what I'm horribly obese. The fact is this is improving our lives in a way that the money probably couldn't be used else where. Cost of living is just so high these days if I wasn't already taking advantage of the cheap shitty rental apartment and the sales I really wouldn't be able to live.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Baalzamon said:
Well, my whole point in bitching was based on you being on welfare, not receiving disability coverage. They are two completely different things.

Welfare is to help somebody get by in a super tough time in life that may be caused by unemployment, etc. This money shouldn't be used to buy unnecessary things. In my opinion, for somebody to spend welfare money on entertainment purposes is absolute bullshit. They are getting welfare because shit went wrong, and this money should be going towards all their monthly bills, and expenses towards finding a new job (even if it is a minimum wage job). It isn't meant to allow the person to continue living with all sorts of bonuses, such as an expensive ass smart phone, all sorts of electronics/video games, etc.

Disability is to aid somebody through life who is either partially or completely disabled, and may or may not be able to work. In my opinion, for somebody to spend disability money on entertainment purposes is awesome. It tells me that my taxpayer money is allowing somebody who has limited work opportunities to go through life with the same extras available to everybody else.

I would agree with that completely. and yes I am on disability. I assumed because everyone stated taking money from the Government and the fact you were so harsh in your response that you were already aware of that. I have mentioned it many times in the past.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

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Joelcool7 said:
Baalzamon said:
Well, my whole point in bitching was based on you being on welfare, not receiving disability coverage. They are two completely different things.

Welfare is to help somebody get by in a super tough time in life that may be caused by unemployment, etc. This money shouldn't be used to buy unnecessary things. In my opinion, for somebody to spend welfare money on entertainment purposes is absolute bullshit. They are getting welfare because shit went wrong, and this money should be going towards all their monthly bills, and expenses towards finding a new job (even if it is a minimum wage job). It isn't meant to allow the person to continue living with all sorts of bonuses, such as an expensive ass smart phone, all sorts of electronics/video games, etc.

Disability is to aid somebody through life who is either partially or completely disabled, and may or may not be able to work. In my opinion, for somebody to spend disability money on entertainment purposes is awesome. It tells me that my taxpayer money is allowing somebody who has limited work opportunities to go through life with the same extras available to everybody else.

I would agree with that completely. and yes I am on disability. I assumed because everyone stated taking money from the Government and the fact you were so harsh in your response that you were already aware of that. I have mentioned it many times in the past.

I've probably seen it, but had simply forgotten.  I can't remember all the stories of everybody on vgchartz, I'm not that much of a genius, lol.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Joelcool7 said:
adriane23 said:
silicon said:
IMO I think it may just be hard to convince employees to spend their Thanksgiving putting stickers on merchandise.

This. None of the games at my local gamestop had sale stickers on them today (Got Sonic Generations for $30, but the sticker said $50), but I knew which ones were on sale from the flyer. It would take an unnecessary amount of man hours to label games, re-label them for a 1 1/2 day sale, then re-label them again once the sale is over.

Not talking the actual labels on the movies, games as much as I am talking the price listed on the shelf right below them. It would be very easy and non time consuming for them to put a price label that says 7.99$ and just put all the 7.99$ BluRays above it like they used too. Rather then putting a price tag on the shelf saying "Tomb Raider BR 7.99$) then having three or four movies directly above it.

Mixing the sale content in with all the other content and making it next to impossible to see whats on sale and what isn't. Thats not just saving time thats purposely done, I mean it never used to be the case.

In fact wouldn't it be more time consuming to put three different labels up saying (Specific movie name 7.99$) rather then a single one saying (BluRays 7.99$) and having the 7.99$ BluRays seperate from the others. This is where the labels did come in because it was impossible to tell which movies were on sale so you had to check the labels but the labels weren't marketed.

The ads said " 50 Select titles" or such, but how the heck can you know what those 50 select titles are if there is no price listed on the shelf or price tag on the product. I had to ask like 10 or so times about products just to see if they were on sale or not and half the time they weren't.

I just think its a marketing strategy. Get people in the store and confuse the shit out of them so they buy stuff at full price or nearly full price. You go in for your five or so movies and games and then you see everything else and can't tell whats on sale and what isn't and end up buying stuff at full price. Its actually ingenius!

It really isn't. It's time consuming to print all the tags, remove the old tags and put out the new tags. Especially with sale items. All of our stuff at my Walmart was stickered "PROMO" with a yellow, green, or blue tag.



Baalzamon said:
lordmandeep said:
well using that logic people should get less welfare ^^^

Welfare should be used for the absolute essentials and that is it.

It is utter bullshit that my tax money is going towards "poor" people buying electronics and other unnecessary things.

ditto.



Snesboy said:
Joelcool7 said:
adriane23 said:
silicon said:
IMO I think it may just be hard to convince employees to spend their Thanksgiving putting stickers on merchandise.

This. None of the games at my local gamestop had sale stickers on them today (Got Sonic Generations for $30, but the sticker said $50), but I knew which ones were on sale from the flyer. It would take an unnecessary amount of man hours to label games, re-label them for a 1 1/2 day sale, then re-label them again once the sale is over.

Not talking the actual labels on the movies, games as much as I am talking the price listed on the shelf right below them. It would be very easy and non time consuming for them to put a price label that says 7.99$ and just put all the 7.99$ BluRays above it like they used too. Rather then putting a price tag on the shelf saying "Tomb Raider BR 7.99$) then having three or four movies directly above it.

Mixing the sale content in with all the other content and making it next to impossible to see whats on sale and what isn't. Thats not just saving time thats purposely done, I mean it never used to be the case.

In fact wouldn't it be more time consuming to put three different labels up saying (Specific movie name 7.99$) rather then a single one saying (BluRays 7.99$) and having the 7.99$ BluRays seperate from the others. This is where the labels did come in because it was impossible to tell which movies were on sale so you had to check the labels but the labels weren't marketed.

The ads said " 50 Select titles" or such, but how the heck can you know what those 50 select titles are if there is no price listed on the shelf or price tag on the product. I had to ask like 10 or so times about products just to see if they were on sale or not and half the time they weren't.

I just think its a marketing strategy. Get people in the store and confuse the shit out of them so they buy stuff at full price or nearly full price. You go in for your five or so movies and games and then you see everything else and can't tell whats on sale and what isn't and end up buying stuff at full price. Its actually ingenius!

It really isn't. It's time consuming to print all the tags, remove the old tags and put out the new tags. Especially with sale items. All of our stuff at my Walmart was stickered "PROMO" with a yellow, green, or blue tag.

Sorta weird because not one item I bought on sale from Walmart had even a sticker. I saw Killzone 3 with a blue dot but the four BluRays I bought had nothing and when I checked the tv shows they weren't market either.

I also can't see how placing a single tag saying 7.99$ on the shelf and placing 60 BluRays above it that are all priced 7.99$ could possibly be more time consuming then placing the same tag but saying (7.99$ Tomb Raider BR) and having multiple BluRays above it not just Tomb Raider. Then some of them are actually 7.99$ on sale and others are full price.

What I'm suggesting isn't more tags its how the tags they created for Black Friday were purposely misleading. But then again this was more Best Buy then Walmart.

I found Pirates of the Caribean 4 on BluRay and it had its price listed 24.99$ sale. But the others didn't and it didn't have a promo sticker either. So I've got to wonder why some items had promo stickers, others had actual price tags below the movies and others had no identification at all. That was Walmart.

You'd think if your going to use promo stickers that you would use them on all the sale promo's wouldn't you? Then if your going to use actual price labels that you would use those? Or if you won't use either you just wouldn't have any. But Walmart had all three for sale items which I found really weird.

Lastly yah the flyer stuff was at Walmart too, two years ago their would be massive stacks of say 40 BluRays or DVDs and it would have the sale price 9.99$ or so. This year it was different smaller stacks if any stacks and a lot more mystery so you wouldn't know exactly what was on sale.

I understand these moves were likely to keep customers in the stores as long as possible and to boost sales of non-sale items. But it is a little tricky, wouldn't really call it false advertising because it isn't you still get the sale price. But you don't know what items not shown physically in the flyer were actually on sale Walmart was better then Best Buy but outside the clearence booths and stickers you still had no clue what was on sale even items in the flyer weren't all marked.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Joelcool7 said:
Snesboy said:
Joelcool7 said:
adriane23 said:
silicon said:
IMO I think it may just be hard to convince employees to spend their Thanksgiving putting stickers on merchandise.

This. None of the games at my local gamestop had sale stickers on them today (Got Sonic Generations for $30, but the sticker said $50), but I knew which ones were on sale from the flyer. It would take an unnecessary amount of man hours to label games, re-label them for a 1 1/2 day sale, then re-label them again once the sale is over.

Not talking the actual labels on the movies, games as much as I am talking the price listed on the shelf right below them. It would be very easy and non time consuming for them to put a price label that says 7.99$ and just put all the 7.99$ BluRays above it like they used too. Rather then putting a price tag on the shelf saying "Tomb Raider BR 7.99$) then having three or four movies directly above it.

Mixing the sale content in with all the other content and making it next to impossible to see whats on sale and what isn't. Thats not just saving time thats purposely done, I mean it never used to be the case.

In fact wouldn't it be more time consuming to put three different labels up saying (Specific movie name 7.99$) rather then a single one saying (BluRays 7.99$) and having the 7.99$ BluRays seperate from the others. This is where the labels did come in because it was impossible to tell which movies were on sale so you had to check the labels but the labels weren't marketed.

The ads said " 50 Select titles" or such, but how the heck can you know what those 50 select titles are if there is no price listed on the shelf or price tag on the product. I had to ask like 10 or so times about products just to see if they were on sale or not and half the time they weren't.

I just think its a marketing strategy. Get people in the store and confuse the shit out of them so they buy stuff at full price or nearly full price. You go in for your five or so movies and games and then you see everything else and can't tell whats on sale and what isn't and end up buying stuff at full price. Its actually ingenius!

It really isn't. It's time consuming to print all the tags, remove the old tags and put out the new tags. Especially with sale items. All of our stuff at my Walmart was stickered "PROMO" with a yellow, green, or blue tag.

Sorta weird because not one item I bought on sale from Walmart had even a sticker. I saw Killzone 3 with a blue dot but the four BluRays I bought had nothing and when I checked the tv shows they weren't market either.

I also can't see how placing a single tag saying 7.99$ on the shelf and placing 60 BluRays above it that are all priced 7.99$ could possibly be more time consuming then placing the same tag but saying (7.99$ Tomb Raider BR) and having multiple BluRays above it not just Tomb Raider. Then some of them are actually 7.99$ on sale and others are full price.

What I'm suggesting isn't more tags its how the tags they created for Black Friday were purposely misleading. But then again this was more Best Buy then Walmart.

I found Pirates of the Caribean 4 on BluRay and it had its price listed 24.99$ sale. But the others didn't and it didn't have a promo sticker either. So I've got to wonder why some items had promo stickers, others had actual price tags below the movies and others had no identification at all. That was Walmart.

You'd think if your going to use promo stickers that you would use them on all the sale promo's wouldn't you? Then if your going to use actual price labels that you would use those? Or if you won't use either you just wouldn't have any. But Walmart had all three for sale items which I found really weird.

Lastly yah the flyer stuff was at Walmart too, two years ago their would be massive stacks of say 40 BluRays or DVDs and it would have the sale price 9.99$ or so. This year it was different smaller stacks if any stacks and a lot more mystery so you wouldn't know exactly what was on sale.

I understand these moves were likely to keep customers in the stores as long as possible and to boost sales of non-sale items. But it is a little tricky, wouldn't really call it false advertising because it isn't you still get the sale price. But you don't know what items not shown physically in the flyer were actually on sale Walmart was better then Best Buy but outside the clearence booths and stickers you still had no clue what was on sale even items in the flyer weren't all marked.

I can't speak for all Wal-marts. But the store I work at had clearly marked items.

I did go to Best Buy though and nothing there was specifically marked as a Black friday sale item. Even looking at their ad paper, there were only a couple really good deals (40in 1080p Sharp HDTV for 200 USD) but other than that, all their shit was the same price.