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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Wii U vs PS4 vs Xbox One FULL SPECS (January 24, 2014)

drkohler said:
Turkish said:
PS Quatro is gonna be beastin son. 10x PS3 probably.

You should google around a little too see how "powerful" the Ax-xxxx processor mentioned in the list is in reality.

Hint: Any IB dual-core Intel processor runs bells and whistles around it. (I'm pretty sure the PS4 engineers have been  in panic mode ever since the truth about those "Poserful-nect-gen-AMD-miracle-APUs" came out.

Considering we're looking at a games console, the APUs aren't a bad bet. The CPUs are becomming less important to gaming needs with more work being shifted to GPUs. In your comparison, the APUs are pretty good and a decent APU will outperform a similarly priced i3 w/HD4000 graphics.

Now if you couple an APU with a discrete graphics chip and cross-fire them then you have a fairly decent gaming setup for low cost.



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runqvist said:
Wasn't there a rumor that PS4 would have a cell processor and nvidia gpu?


Not that I know of. Plus Sony and IBM have sold off and closed off cell. Its gone. Ps4 rumors have all centered on AMD fusion APU solutions so far.



superchunk said:
runqvist said:
Wasn't there a rumor that PS4 would have a cell processor and nvidia gpu?


Not that I know of. Plus Sony and IBM have sold off and closed off cell. Its gone. Ps4 rumors have all centered on AMD fusion APU solutions so far.

Well, I am not sure about it either. Googling it I found this:

http://www.thebitbag.com/2012/05/25/why-we-think-the-cell-monster-ps4-is-legit/

 



runqvist said:
superchunk said:
runqvist said:
Wasn't there a rumor that PS4 would have a cell processor and nvidia gpu?


Not that I know of. Plus Sony and IBM have sold off and closed off cell. Its gone. Ps4 rumors have all centered on AMD fusion APU solutions so far.

Well, I am not sure about it either. Googling it I found this:

http://www.thebitbag.com/2012/05/25/why-we-think-the-cell-monster-ps4-is-legit/

 

In all honesty, if the ram count was reasonable then sure.  But 20 gigs of ram?  10 gigs of XDR 2 and 10 gigs into the video card?  Considering Nvidia's flagship card only has 4 gigs of ram in it, this is a huge pipe dream.



darkknightkryta said:
runqvist said:
superchunk said:
runqvist said:
Wasn't there a rumor that PS4 would have a cell processor and nvidia gpu?


Not that I know of. Plus Sony and IBM have sold off and closed off cell. Its gone. Ps4 rumors have all centered on AMD fusion APU solutions so far.

Well, I am not sure about it either. Googling it I found this:

http://www.thebitbag.com/2012/05/25/why-we-think-the-cell-monster-ps4-is-legit/

 

In all honesty, if the ram count was reasonable then sure.  But 20 gigs of ram?  10 gigs of XDR 2 and 10 gigs into the video card?  Considering Nvidia's flagship card only has 4 gigs of ram in it, this is a huge pipe dream.

Dev kits usually have more ram than the retail consoles. 360 dev kit had 1gb memory while the retail console only has 512mb.



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runqvist said:

Well, I am not sure about it either. Googling it I found this:

http://www.thebitbag.com/2012/05/25/why-we-think-the-cell-monster-ps4-is-legit/

Lol, from the stupid page:

  • CPU – Cell Broadband Engine X @ 3.2GHz – 16PPE’s – 128 SPE’s
  • This chip, manufactured in 45nm, would have a die size of approx (16*6.5 + 128*11.3 + >100) mm^2, approx. 1600mm^2, in 28/32 nm approx 1100mm^2. Such a megamonster die  is IMPOSSIBLE to manufacture. NVidia is the company that makes megadies that are around 550mm'2 and these are EXPENSIVE chips to make.



    drkohler said:
    runqvist said:

    Well, I am not sure about it either. Googling it I found this:

    http://www.thebitbag.com/2012/05/25/why-we-think-the-cell-monster-ps4-is-legit/

    Lol, from the stupid page:

  • CPU – Cell Broadband Engine X @ 3.2GHz – 16PPE’s – 128 SPE’s
  • This chip, manufactured in 45nm, would have a die size of approx (16*6.5 + 128*11.3 + >100) mm^2, approx. 1600mm^2, in 28/32 nm approx 1100mm^2. Such a megamonster die  is IMPOSSIBLE to manufacture. NVidia is the company that makes megadies that are around 550mm'2 and these are EXPENSIVE chips to make.


    Maybe I am more tired than I think, but how your math works out? I counted (in my head) that the die size at 28nm would have to be 700mm^2. That is the roughly the same as the highest die size for processor that I have heard of.

    So it would be possible according to my math, but not likely.



    The next generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony are likely to be considerably more powerful than the Wii U because they have no alternative course of action. Their current consoles are stale and they don't have the option of releasing something which is only marginally better than their current offerings or people won't bother. The Wii U is considerably better than the Wii and offers next generation design even with relatively current generation performance, just as the Wii was next generation in design even if the technology was luke-warm and mature.

    The next generation will be defined by the networks that are created by the companies. The reason for instance why Durango (Xbox 3) is rumoured to have 8GB of RAM is because it is following a PC paradigm of cross compatibility.



    Tease.

    runqvist said:
    darkknightkryta said:
    runqvist said:
    superchunk said:
    runqvist said:
    Wasn't there a rumor that PS4 would have a cell processor and nvidia gpu?


    Not that I know of. Plus Sony and IBM have sold off and closed off cell. Its gone. Ps4 rumors have all centered on AMD fusion APU solutions so far.

    Well, I am not sure about it either. Googling it I found this:

    http://www.thebitbag.com/2012/05/25/why-we-think-the-cell-monster-ps4-is-legit/

     

    In all honesty, if the ram count was reasonable then sure.  But 20 gigs of ram?  10 gigs of XDR 2 and 10 gigs into the video card?  Considering Nvidia's flagship card only has 4 gigs of ram in it, this is a huge pipe dream.

    Dev kits usually have more ram than the retail consoles. 360 dev kit had 1gb memory while the retail console only has 512mb.

    I doubt the dev kit would have 20 gigs of ram, even at double that puts 10 gigs into the PS4.  Which, even if split evenly, would put 5 gigs into the GPU which the 690 GTX doesn't even come in.  I doubt Sony would put a card of that class into the PS4, it'd cost Sony probably 500 bucks for that GPU (vs the 1000 dollars it costs to consumers).



    Squilliam said:
    The next generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony are likely to be considerably more powerful than the Wii U because they have no alternative course of action. Their current consoles are stale and they don't have the option of releasing something which is only marginally better than their current offerings or people won't bother. The Wii U is considerably better than the Wii and offers next generation design even with relatively current generation performance, just as the Wii was next generation in design even if the technology was luke-warm and mature.

    The next generation will be defined by the networks that are created by the companies. The reason for instance why Durango (Xbox 3) is rumoured to have 8GB of RAM is because it is following a PC paradigm of cross compatibility.

    Think Microsoft will finally get rid of this console/PC barrier?  I quite like my PC I built and I'd rather play the next Xbox games on it.  Though I'm in no rush for new consoles in general.