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Who was right in the long term?

Soviet Union 31 15.98%
 
Nazi Germany 53 27.32%
 
USA\UK 110 56.70%
 
Total:194
enditall727 said:

wait so let me get this straight

the state owned.. everything? EVERYTHING!? O_o

like if i bought a new house and a car in the ussr basically it wouldn't actually be mine? it would be owned by the state?

 

can you give me a few examples of some thing's that were forbidden?


You didn't buy a car, or a house. That's not how it works. You ask the Government if they can provide you with one (or, more often than not, the Government will tell you what you need, and give it to you).

It can be a little hard to get your head around at first, and those who grew up in the communist world also had a hard time understanding our system. I have a quote from one of my books that I will paraphrase:

" In your system, who controls the supply of bread to London?" - a quote from a Soviet leader, about Britain. To him, the system is frightening - with no one person directly responsible for controlling the food supply to a major city, how can we be sure that there won't ever be any food shortages? And yet, our system works extremely well. When was the last time we heard of a bread shortage in London? Food shortages were very frequent in the Soviet system - simply because such an enormously complex chain, such as food supply, can not be organized by a single person, or institution. The only way that it can work is through the price system of capitalism, which provides the necessary signals to allow for thousands of people and institutions to come together to keep the food supply stable.



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you forgot to add the amount of people us/uk killed.



snakenobi said:
enditall727 said:

wait so let me get this straight

the state owned.. everything? EVERYTHING!? O_o

like if i bought a new house and a car in the ussr basically it wouldn't actually be mine? it would be owned by the state?

 

can you give me a few examples of some thing's that were forbidden?

it depend how much regulation is put in by the state for their goals and agendas

the property is yours but the state can anytime come and take it from you as there are no laws,the laws are set and can be changed to suit the agenda and goals of the state.

 

This is today being implemented in europe and usa by us government and european union,some rules and future plans:

Patriot Act USA: anybody who talks against the state can be jailed

Net neutrality: regulates which sites will be on the internet

Free speech:

1)Race:in USA today if a person speaks about race then they are seen a bad person

3)homosexuality:they created this view in the society that if you against homosexuality then you are a bad person

3)People in Germany,Austria,etc can't talk about nazism or wear swastika

AND MANY MORE

 

they make people think shouldn't cherish their values,race,language,culture and accept the popular view that everything is the same.whereas regulating opinion and sovereignty is against freedom.They make people think that their opinion are wrong and create insecurity so that people get on with that type of society.

 

This is done by:

Media propaganda - as to how people get their info and what information reaches the people

laws and regulation - What business are suppose allowed

Unions and Immigration - get poorer people into the country so work for corporations for less money and mix with the people of that country OR create unions so that the rich part of the union can exploit the poor part.

 

 

This kind of soceity can be laid by following ways:

Monarchy - Britain - Ruler defines the agenda of people and its goals

Communism - Soviet Union - Regulation

Corporatism - USA - corporation and banking elite run the government

This is why they like to have political unions,kingdoms,etc.why different ways?all people are not the same and they have worked this system to control different cultures?

all these guys throughout history have supported each other and have alliance,US corprorates and banks are in ties with europe sytems by monarchy and socialism


Patriot act --> ive heard a lot of stuff about this act. i wonder what exactly do they see as talking "against" the state though? i wonder if this will be like a secret strict act that will  eventually be the cause of thousands of innocent people to be jailed because they may have not agreed with a new bill that the state automatically thinks suits the country hmm

Race --> i dont think it's if they speak of race but more if they speak down about a particular race. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your race in America :)

Homosexuality --> it is true but i think it's legit. people getting beat up and made fun of because they are gay is not cool at all. Honestly i think if a person is gay then whatever but if my future son was gay i would be lying if i said that i wouldn't be mad about it *lifts shoulders*

Germany/swastika/nazi --> with Germany's history and what not, i dont blame them for banning nazism and the swastika over there.



snakenobi said:

a) USA knew japan forces were steaming towards,you think that japan ships are in US waters and their radars didn't detect it?

b) those claims of 10million jews and gypsies are based on gas chambers which weren't operational

a) Learn about the history of early radar devices. You will then hopefully understand why that wasn't possible.

b) You have been issuing several such remarks in this thread, all of which could put you behind bars in several European countries. Learn about holocaust revisionists. Learn about the holocaust history and why the numbers are well documented. I have no tolerance for people like you in this regard.

At first I thought snakenobi is a Japanese account (and Japanese war crimes is another sad part of history which is completely suppressed in Japan so it would explain your drivel). But it seems you are in India or of Indian descent. Apparently your school education (and/or your willingness to learn the facts) leaves much to be desired.



sethnintendo said:
kennyrester said:
So you're a holocaust denier?


How did you come to that conclusion when he even states in the op that 10m or so Jews were killed?


Read his response to spurgeonryan, he said only 200-400k jews were killed.



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snakenobi said:

And Germany is totally justified as what other nations did to them in WW1,they just went after communism and got their original territories back.As for france,france is the one that attacked germany not the other way around

Read my previous post. These two lines of yours are even more unbelieveable than the rest of your drivel. You should seriously get an education.



I'm not a fan of people using hindsight on wars and such especially if it happened 50 years before you were born. You don't have the people of that times morals, fears, culture, etc... What is clear today was a jumbled mess back in the day.

People always say this group was wrong and that group was wrong but if you were alive during the time then you'd probably be with everyone else. It's nice to sit in your air conditioned house at you computer in a comfy chair and judge folks of the past. Luckily most of them could care less what a bunch of teens and 20 year olds have to say about them.



SpartenOmega117 said:
you forgot to add the amount of people us/uk killed.


so we should agree that everybody was evil then?

and who exactly did the the us kill? are you talking about when we bombed japan? the same evil crime doing cruel ass japan?

the bastards deserved it! YOU HEAR ME SPARTEN!!? THEY DESERVED IT!!! <-- naw im j/k lol did i go evil for a second? :)

but still those were innocent people who died due to the American bombings <-- hmm now being that im kinda speaking against America right now i wonder if i could be jailed for saying something so small like this due to the patriot act hmm..



drkohler said:
snakenobi said:

a) USA knew japan forces were steaming towards,you think that japan ships are in US waters and their radars didn't detect it?

b) those claims of 10million jews and gypsies are based on gas chambers which weren't operational

a) Learn about the history of early radar devices. You will then hopefully understand why that wasn't possible.

b) You have been issuing several such remarks in this thread, all of which could put you behind bars in several European countries. Learn about holocaust revisionists. Learn about the holocaust history and why the numbers are well documented. I have no tolerance for people like you in this regard.

At first I thought snakenobi is a Japanese account (and Japanese war crimes is another sad part of history which is completely suppressed in Japan so it would explain your drivel). But it seems you are in India or of Indian descent. Apparently your school education (and/or your willingness to learn the facts) leaves much to be desired.

the more i read, i was beginning to think that he was a neo-nazi to be honest

@Snakenobi no offense if you AREN'T and if you are then whatever..



voty2000 said:
sethnintendo said:
kennyrester said:
So you're a holocaust denier?


How did you come to that conclusion when he even states in the op that 10m or so Jews were killed?


Read his response to spurgeonryan, he said only 200-400k jews were killed.


Ah. now I see that remark.  I was barely skimming through the comments so I didn't catch that.  That is such a low ball number that there really isn't anything to be said about it.