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Who was right in the long term?

Soviet Union 31 15.98%
 
Nazi Germany 53 27.32%
 
USA\UK 110 56.70%
 
Total:194

Wow, I am sorry but this simplification is incredible.
You can't just take the deadliest conflict in human history
and let people vote on who were the "good" guys. You can't treat this like
a question on whether you prefer Ps3 or XBOX.

Tens of millions died and to even give the choice that Germany or the Soviet Union
could be the "good" guys is totally ignorant.

Besides, it misses the whole point. There are seldom wars with "good" vs. "bad" like
in Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. In this case, there were two evil dictators who used the
suffering and economic situation and channeled the hatred and frustration of people
on minorities.



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Nik24 said:
Wow, I am sorry but this simplification is incredible.
You can't just take the deadliest conflict in human history
and let people vote on who were the "good" guys. You can't treat this like
a question on whether you prefer Ps3 or XBOX.

Tens of millions died and to even give the choice that Germany or the Soviet Union
could be the "good" guys is totally ignorant.

Besides, it misses the whole point. There are seldom wars with "good" vs. "bad" like
in Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. In this case, there were two evil dictators who used the
suffering and economic situation and channeled the hatred and frustration of people
on minorities.

stop nitpickign and playing with words

instead of understanding what i meant,your complete post is about arguing

 

by good guys i meant who had right intention and who acted for that intention



*munching on popcorn*

wow i hope more people come in on this thread because i have been very interested in learning more about ww2 for some reason

okay im kinda a noob on some of it though but what the fuck is communism and why is it so bad? and so is the failing of communism the main reason why the ussr collapsed?



Hey, sometimes the bad guys are the ones with good intents but bad means.

OT - can't really say about WWII besides the facts commies = pure evil. They left a trail of rape and destruction and murder in eastern Europe and Germany like nothing since Gengis motherfucking Khan.

In WWI however the germans were definitely the good guys.



 

 

 

 

 

enditall727 said:

okay im kinda a noob on some of it though but what the fuck is communism and why is it so bad? and so is the failing of communism the main reason why the ussr collapsed?


Communism is a concept created by Marx referring to a society where state and private propery were extinguished and the world was a global community of sorts were workers shared ownership of the factories and the land, and everything would be distributed equally.

Despite claiming extinction of the state, however, the workers would become the de facto political power, I think, like the soviets tried to be originally back in the russian revolution, and that's how it differs from true anarchism and anarcho syndicalism (besides the fact anarchism preaches liberty above everything, and in it's core form do not seek directly for equality and even distribution of goods).

What people often call communism is actually socialism, which Marx predicted to be a mid step into communism. Basically the State owns everything and whatnot, even what people should think apparently. That of course bred some of the worst dictatorships mankind has ever seen.

That's the reason the USSR collapsed, putting in simple terms (the whole reasons for it's fall would fill books and books). Since everything was state-owned and state-funded, there was no competition and innovation like in the USA, besides the opression and everything that was forbidden played a huge part in supressing people's ideas and whatever, and so the USSR fell into an economic and cultural stand-still far before it actually collapsed.



 

 

 

 

 

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spurgeonryan said:

Well it certainly was not Germany. America was attacked,so we attacked back

roosevelt wanted war all along

JAPAN was on war with China and USA trade was being interrupted,USA stopped oil and resource trade with Japan.It is called economic warfare.This is why Japan attacked pearl hardbour

USA knew japan forces were steaming towards,you think that japan ships are in US waters and their radars didn't detect it?

on the germany front,USA was already supplying weapons to UK and France.

Summary:they traded where their interests were

After a ton of people died just to get to Japan we had enough.

what kind of a reason is that?

if usa wanted to go to japan,they should have prepared.

Sorry, that it was so horrible, but enough was enough! Did Germany's concentration camps kill more people than Americans killed in the entire war?

Germany's concentration camps researched killing number is in around 200-400k

those claims of 10million jews and gypsies are based on gas chambers which weren't operational

What about the bombing of England? Have the British even forgiven Germany for that yet?

has germany forgiven british WW1?

has the whole world forgiven british for colonial domiantion?

 

think before asking such questions,man


Soviet Union, America and the U.K were in the right.

Soviet Union was right..............................lmao

so you say communism and limit of free speech,persecution of millions of people,etc is right?

and you say US which after WW2,themselves went to fightr


Why do you ask? Do you have some sort of evidence that you have found that would show something different?

do you have evidence to state your opinion?

i have,jst google everything i said in this post and you will know it

Conspiracy theories and whatever else matter little,

These are facts which i mentioned which you only get if you study history and not go with the popular opinion of propaganda

 

conspiracy is a totally different topic,for that you have to research on WW1 and prior history.Banking institution and economic warfare and regulation of resources aka oil,coal,etc behind the scene is what conspiracy is about



Joelcool7 said:

Wow the OP is sorta twisted. First mistake US/UK lol, you mean the allies, you can't credit the US or the UK with winning WWII and not credit the rest of the allies especially the likes of Canada and the other commonwealth countries.

what does Commonwealth mean to you and why do you think they still have a monarch?

does britain come to mind?

Then you mention the US was conned into the war due to propaganda. lol Canada joined the war efforts early on and the Germans were operating in the Atlantic Ocean very close to American waters.

so?

Germany's ability to crush the remainder of Europe and gain control of large swaths of Africa and the Middle East would have been a death sentence for America.

why the hell do you bring middle east and africa?you talk as if britain was doing good in those places

and how would that have been death sentence to america?it would have been death sentence to anglo-american empire not america as it is

Germany would have obviously pursued America later on if they hadn't been stopped in Europe.

that type of assumption and jst killing people on it is whats wrong with your argument,that way every man will try to kill another man


Plus you also are forgetting about the Japanese, the US actually instigated that conflict.

so you saying USA being pre-empitvely preparing for war which they knew they start as being 'good' and the 'right' thing

The whole Pacific Fleet was stationed in Hawaii and was on stand by for major military action. The Japanese simply launched a pr-emptive strike

USA knew the war was coming and they planned for it by stopping trade to japan and their getting prepared shows they knew

but the US was poised to intervene there regardless.

so it was usa's duty to get into other's buisness?

The United States in no way was cohursed into the war against their will.

by propaganda i meant the public,the president always knew it

It was not only their obligation but in their best interest to defeat both Germany and Japan and later Russia (Cold War).

we know that

we are trying to dabate whose intententions were right not whose intentions were to protect their empire and its greedy cash slow

In fact the US took their sweet time getting involved they let millions of people die and tons of their supposed allies get slaughtered before intervening.

Had the US intervened early on with Canada and the other allies the war could have been ended swiftly with millions of people's lives saved. It was there reluctance that allowed Germany to conquer so much of the world. It was always in their best interest to stop Hitler!

wow you absolutely didn't get what this thread was about,did you?

i was not asking for summary but who is right in the moral and noble way not right in the business and empire protection sense





haxxiy said:
enditall727 said:

okay im kinda a noob on some of it though but what the fuck is communism and why is it so bad? and so is the failing of communism the main reason why the ussr collapsed?


Communism is a concept created by Marx referring to a society where state and private propery were extinguished and the world was a global community of sorts were workers shared ownership of the factories and the land, and everything would be distributed equally.

Despite claiming extinction of the state, however, the workers would become the de facto political power, I think, like the soviets tried to be originally back in the russian revolution, and that's how it differs from true anarchism and anarcho syndicalism (besides the fact anarchism preaches liberty above everything, and in it's core form do not seek directly for equality and even distribution of goods).

What people often call communism is actually socialism, which Marx predicted to be a mid step into communism. Basically the State owns everything and whatnot, even what people should think apparently. That of course bred some of the worst dictatorships mankind has ever seen.

That's the reason the USSR collapsed, putting in simple terms (the whole reasons for it's fall would fill books and books). Since everything was state-owned and state-funded, there was no competition and innovation like in the USA, besides the opression and everything that was forbidden played a huge part in supressing people's ideas and whatever, and so the USSR fell into an economic and cultural stand-still far before it actually collapsed.

wait so let me get this straight

the state owned.. everything? EVERYTHING!? O_o

like if i bought a new house and a car in the ussr basically it wouldn't actually be mine? it would be owned by the state?

 

can you give me a few examples of some thing's that were forbidden?



enditall727 said:

wait so let me get this straight

the state owned.. everything? EVERYTHING!? O_o

like if i bought a new house and a car in the ussr basically it wouldn't actually be mine? it would be owned by the state?

 

can you give me a few examples of some thing's that were forbidden?

Capitalism had no place in the USSR. This went as far as the board game Monopoly being forbidden.



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haxxiy said:

Hey, sometimes the bad guys are the ones with good intents but bad means.

OT - can't really say about WWII besides the facts commies = pure evil. They left a trail of rape and destruction and murder in eastern Europe and Germany like nothing since Gengis motherfucking Khan.

In WWI however the germans were definitely the good guys.


Almost at the same level of what Japan did to China and Southeast Asia.  Its really funny how Japan always get a free pass regarding WWII crimes because they only kill and rape other Asian countries. Japan and Germany are equal evil during WWII and I hope people don't forget that.