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Player1x3 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
NKAJ said:
SamuelRSmith said:
ProdigyBam said:
He should care about persecuted christians first since most of the british people are christian and the culture is based on christian-judeo teachings, while at most 5-10% are homosexual, just saying..


His choice of protecting gay rights is clearly a movement to help him win public opinion. Protecting persecuted Christains would not do this, and would probably cause a massive media shit-storm.


Create a shit-storm where? Reading the daily mail it's pretty obvious that if anything, people were annoyed that funding would be based on gay rights rather than persecution of Christians. All I've read or heard for the last few months is people getting fed up because, in their view, minorities such as gays/muslims are given priority over the majority population.


The Daily Mail moan all the time, that's what they do as a paper. No, any kind of support for Christains will cause all sorts of anger amongst the left wing institutions - The Guardian will kick off first, and the Independant will probably have a lot to say about it. The BBC would pick up the story from these outlets, and it'll be a big deal. Anything that sees the Government supporting any kind religious activity will piss off the left.

Isnt that fascist? And why do christians in your country put up with that?

Isn't what fascist? Freedom of press? And the Christains put up with it because a) they're not a big political power in the UK (no religious institution is), and b) I don't think many Christains will feel their discriminated against... religion just isn't that bigger deal.



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forest-spirit said:
NiKKoM said:
Shouldn't he like... worry more about the UK first? >_>


I think so too.

Not in this case as it was at the Commonwealth heads of government meeting who's members cover about a 3rd of the worlds population,and it's a platform to  talk about matters that effect the member states , So just as you don't go to the UN to talk local issues it is the same at CHOGM it's a forum for heads of government to discuss foreign affairs.



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SamuelRSmith said:
Player1x3 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
NKAJ said:
SamuelRSmith said:
ProdigyBam said:
He should care about persecuted christians first since most of the british people are christian and the culture is based on christian-judeo teachings, while at most 5-10% are homosexual, just saying..


His choice of protecting gay rights is clearly a movement to help him win public opinion. Protecting persecuted Christains would not do this, and would probably cause a massive media shit-storm.


Create a shit-storm where? Reading the daily mail it's pretty obvious that if anything, people were annoyed that funding would be based on gay rights rather than persecution of Christians. All I've read or heard for the last few months is people getting fed up because, in their view, minorities such as gays/muslims are given priority over the majority population.


The Daily Mail moan all the time, that's what they do as a paper. No, any kind of support for Christains will cause all sorts of anger amongst the left wing institutions - The Guardian will kick off first, and the Independant will probably have a lot to say about it. The BBC would pick up the story from these outlets, and it'll be a big deal. Anything that sees the Government supporting any kind religious activity will piss off the left.

Isnt that fascist? And why do christians in your country put up with that?

Isn't what fascist? Freedom of press? And the Christains put up with it because a) they're not a big political power in the UK (no religious institution is), and b) I don't think many Christains will feel their discriminated against... religion just isn't that bigger deal.


No, i wasn't talking about it, it just seemed kinda unfair. Muslims seem to get a lot more respect and support in both political and press issues, while Christians aren't allowed to have any (like you mentioned above) Freedom of press only applies when you dont put a picture of muhammad in the paper, does it? One must not anger muslims, but can lash the shit out of christians? And aren't christians a majority in england? They should stan up, if they feel mistreated



it's way better for them to have no rights, i mean, the point is to consider them as normal people, not give them rights because they are ''different''



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SamuelRSmith said:
zuvuyeay said:
i doubt many will agree with me but the time for aid to asia is over isn't it,they should be giving it to us in 10 years time,i thought that india had a 600 million strong middle class,shanghai is the capital of the world,aliens will meet chinese people in space not the white westerner,

the rich arabs should sort out the poor muslim africans/asians more

corrupt african leaders have as much to do with the poor african as the nasty white man,i'm afraid the truth hurts

corporate profits rule everything in the end

on india i read that it will overtake china in population and economy one day,just wow,it's funny because india is like victorian england i think now but on a huge scale,i wonder how long it will be before she decides to lift its poor out of the slums and i wonder what gandhi would think

i saw a piece on our posh news that we export alot of tandoor ovens back to india,lulz,

between the USA and India,little england should be alright in the future

Both India and China's economic models are severely flawed... the West (USA) will still be the first country to make deep space... make contact with aliens? By that point I don't think race will even be an issue.

What do corporate profits have to do with Africa? The very problem with Africa is that the continent is too unsafe to invest in, Africa's problem isn't corporate greed, it's the lack of it.

why are they severely flawed?

are you saying no global corporations have their fingers in the african pie?



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Player1x3 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Player1x3 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
NKAJ said:
SamuelRSmith said:
ProdigyBam said:
He should care about persecuted christians first since most of the british people are christian and the culture is based on christian-judeo teachings, while at most 5-10% are homosexual, just saying..


His choice of protecting gay rights is clearly a movement to help him win public opinion. Protecting persecuted Christains would not do this, and would probably cause a massive media shit-storm.


Create a shit-storm where? Reading the daily mail it's pretty obvious that if anything, people were annoyed that funding would be based on gay rights rather than persecution of Christians. All I've read or heard for the last few months is people getting fed up because, in their view, minorities such as gays/muslims are given priority over the majority population.


The Daily Mail moan all the time, that's what they do as a paper. No, any kind of support for Christains will cause all sorts of anger amongst the left wing institutions - The Guardian will kick off first, and the Independant will probably have a lot to say about it. The BBC would pick up the story from these outlets, and it'll be a big deal. Anything that sees the Government supporting any kind religious activity will piss off the left.

Isnt that fascist? And why do christians in your country put up with that?

Isn't what fascist? Freedom of press? And the Christains put up with it because a) they're not a big political power in the UK (no religious institution is), and b) I don't think many Christains will feel their discriminated against... religion just isn't that bigger deal.


No, i wasn't talking about it, it just seemed kinda unfair. Muslims seem to get a lot more respect and support in both political and press issues, while Christians aren't allowed to have any (like you mentioned above) Freedom of press only applies when you dont put a picture of muhammad in the paper, does it? One must not anger muslims, but can lash the shit out of christians? And aren't christians a majority in england? They should stan up, if they feel mistreated

Muslims don't get much respect in the mainstream media, maybe from papers like The Guardian, but from the likes of the Daily Mail and other such outlets, there is some Islamaphobia.

The reason why Christains don't stand up, is because they're not mistreated. There would be uproar if the Government was to openly support /any/ religious ideal or institution. This is just a part of our culture. I know for a fact that many Christains would probably be annoyed if the Government were to openly support Christianity. Although our country is built on Christain ideals, and the Church of England has a role in our insitutions, any kind of direct involvement between Government and religion would not go down well in our country.

As for papers depicting images of the Prophet Mohammad, why do people not understand that it's offensive? Any images depicting the Prophet is forbidden by the religion. There are no laws forbidding the press from printing an image, but they choose not to. If there was a specific rule on the presentation of Jesus for Christainity, or whatever, the press would hopefully choose to stick to those rules. There is no real reason to break those rules, and they only cause anger and tension when broken. What good reason is there for printing a picture of the Prophet? Other than to stick the middle finger up?



zuvuyeay said:
SamuelRSmith said:
zuvuyeay said:
i doubt many will agree with me but the time for aid to asia is over isn't it,they should be giving it to us in 10 years time,i thought that india had a 600 million strong middle class,shanghai is the capital of the world,aliens will meet chinese people in space not the white westerner,

the rich arabs should sort out the poor muslim africans/asians more

corrupt african leaders have as much to do with the poor african as the nasty white man,i'm afraid the truth hurts

corporate profits rule everything in the end

on india i read that it will overtake china in population and economy one day,just wow,it's funny because india is like victorian england i think now but on a huge scale,i wonder how long it will be before she decides to lift its poor out of the slums and i wonder what gandhi would think

i saw a piece on our posh news that we export alot of tandoor ovens back to india,lulz,

between the USA and India,little england should be alright in the future

Both India and China's economic models are severely flawed... the West (USA) will still be the first country to make deep space... make contact with aliens? By that point I don't think race will even be an issue.

What do corporate profits have to do with Africa? The very problem with Africa is that the continent is too unsafe to invest in, Africa's problem isn't corporate greed, it's the lack of it.

why are they severely flawed?

are you saying no global corporations have their fingers in the african pie?

http://www.dnaindia.com/money/interview_china-s-investment-led-growth-a-time-bomb_1245641
http://www.china.org.cn/business/2010-02/02/content_19356083.htm
http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/chinas-looming-demographic-problem-moves-steadily-up-over-the-radar/
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinas-overhang-of-empty-apartments-2010-08-03

There are a shit tonne more articles, it's becoming more and more evident that China's massive growth over the past decade has really just been a string of massive bubbles, and they are going to need to collapse.

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As for Africa, while there are a few companies there, namely mining companies, the amount of investment in African countries is minimal. FDI (the amount that foreign companies spend building factories, shops, infrastructure, etc) in last year across the African continent was roughly similar to just that of the UK.... and the UK had a /really/ bad year last year for FDI (it fell by half) - that's over a billion people, versus 60 million in the UK.

The problem is... if you were, say, Sony... why would you invest in Africa? Crime rates and war are major problems... no point spending billions on a new factory if it's got a high chance of being vandalised, burgled, or blown up. Once you get past that, you have an extremely-uneducated work force, meaning that you'd have to pay for all the education itself. You also can't rely on the electrical grid, or water supplies... so there's even more money that you'd have to spend, to become more independant. And how are you going to get materials into the factory/finished goods out? The roads are in poor condition, the ports and airports are outdated, under-resources, and severely lacking capacity. And, at every step of the way, you'll probably have to pay off a load of corrupt officials to keep it from happening.

The reason why you see mining companies operating in Africa is because the amount of profit they make, exceeds all of those costs I've highlighted above... very few industries offer the same kind of profit margins as oil and mining.

The only way Africa can move forward, is if they fix their governance. Fix corruption and reduce bureacracy so that the African entrepeneurs can start building businesses, end trade barriers between African nations to encourage trade, and facililate infrastructure sharing (rather than every country having to build their own world-class airports and ports), and spend money tackling crime and ending militant activity.



SamuelRSmith said:

 

As for papers depicting images of the Prophet Mohammad, why do people not understand that it's offensive? Any images depicting the Prophet is forbidden by the religion.


no.  images of the prophet muhammed, or any others for that matter, are not forbidden by the quran.



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MrBubbles said:
SamuelRSmith said:
 

 

As for papers depicting images of the Prophet Mohammad, why do people not understand that it's offensive? Any images depicting the Prophet is forbidden by the religion.


no.  images of the prophet muhammed, or any others for that matter, are not forbidden by the quran.

There's more to Islam than the Koran. Sunni Muslims, for example, tend to strictly follow the Hadith that the Prophet shall not be represented visually.



SamuelRSmith said:
MrBubbles said:
SamuelRSmith said:
 

 

As for papers depicting images of the Prophet Mohammad, why do people not understand that it's offensive? Any images depicting the Prophet is forbidden by the religion.


no.  images of the prophet muhammed, or any others for that matter, are not forbidden by the quran.

There's more to Islam than the Koran. Sunni Muslims, for example, tend to strictly follow the Hadith that the Prophet shall not be represented visually.


and saying its forbidden in islam is like making generalizations about christianity based on the book of mormon.  also if we are going to get into it like that, the hadiths dont specifically forbid his picture.



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