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I don't know what the hell is going with me. I wanna to post it on other thread but how it was published here i dont know. Sorry for that. I am new here.......



I dont think this is right, But Why put your gayness out there like that?
People needs to understand that not many people take kindly to it



As far i know its a gaming forum. so game news should put here.....



spurgeonryan said:
micjhonson said:
As far i know its a gaming forum. so game news should put here.....


There are game sections, Nintendo sections , general sections, movie sections, etc. This is def. not a game section. You should be able to see the topics and what they are on. This one is on bullying in school. There are some diablo threads.




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sapphi_snake said:
kain_kusanagi said:
All bulling are "hate crimes". I'm glad the mother is pressing charges and I hope the bully goes to juvi. But I can't stand the term "hate crime". Everyone who perpetrates violence is motivated by hate of some kind, so why do we segregate certain crimes as worse then others. If a bully beats up a nerd and gets a 3 day suspension it wouldn't make the news, but if the nerd was gay it is suddenly worse? That's what I don't understand. We should treat punish bullies harshly no matter who or why they beat them up. Their motive should only be used as evidence to convict them, not decide a sentence.

This is actually not true. There are several reasons why people can commit violent crimes. For example desperation (e.g. robbing someone because you need money), or even love (e.g. crimes of passion). And I'm not sure if you know anything about the legal system, but motive is mandatory when deciding how to sentence someone. This is the case with basically every crime. This is the difference between 1st degree and 2nd degree murder for example. And it's the best way to decide how dangerous a criminal is.

The prosecution uses motive to define the culpability of the defendant. The motive is a kind of evidence in convicting the defendant. Once you have a conviction the motive is irrelevant. Some crimes have minimum sentences. Take Murder 1 for example. The motive was used to convict, but the sentence is determined by the crime.

As for the reasons for violent crimes. I am very much aware there are many motives for committing violence. I was obviously talking about bullies not robbers.

My point was always that hate for a nerd or a gay or a minority are equal. Hate for someone who bumped your shoulder is just as irrational as gay bashing. I don't like the term "hate crime" becuase is segregates and we need less segregation and more equality in this world.



sapphi_snake said:
kowenicki said:

what happens in this state if you bully someone for some other reason other than sexual orientation? 

Obviously you'd get more than a 3 day suspension. It was premeditated violent assault after all.

Actually for most schools a 3-day suspension is about the second worst thing that happens to you short of expulsion.

Expulsion isn't gonna happen unless someone brings in a weapon/uses a weapon or puts someone in an extended hospital stay.

I mean shit, someones ignorant and a bully, you your respond by permanently removing them from education from a school?

Doesn't really send the right message. 

EDIT: And I went to school in ohio.  So yeah, a 3 Day suspension is pretty serious.

Usually a punch gets you one day...

if Your in a two way fight, the agressor gets 3 days, the person defending themselves gets 1.

Or at least that was standard MO when I was in school way back when.



Lyrikalstylez said:
I dont think this is right, But Why put your gayness out there like that?
People needs to understand that not many people take kindly to it

If straight people can put their 'straightness' out there, then so can gay people put their 'gayness' out there. It's only fair.



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kain_kusanagi said:
sapphi_snake said:
kain_kusanagi said:
All bulling are "hate crimes". I'm glad the mother is pressing charges and I hope the bully goes to juvi. But I can't stand the term "hate crime". Everyone who perpetrates violence is motivated by hate of some kind, so why do we segregate certain crimes as worse then others. If a bully beats up a nerd and gets a 3 day suspension it wouldn't make the news, but if the nerd was gay it is suddenly worse? That's what I don't understand. We should treat punish bullies harshly no matter who or why they beat them up. Their motive should only be used as evidence to convict them, not decide a sentence.

This is actually not true. There are several reasons why people can commit violent crimes. For example desperation (e.g. robbing someone because you need money), or even love (e.g. crimes of passion). And I'm not sure if you know anything about the legal system, but motive is mandatory when deciding how to sentence someone. This is the case with basically every crime. This is the difference between 1st degree and 2nd degree murder for example. And it's the best way to decide how dangerous a criminal is.

The prosecution uses motive to define the culpability of the defendant. The motive is a kind of evidence in convicting the defendant. Once you have a conviction the motive is irrelevant. Some crimes have minimum sentences. Take Murder 1 for example. The motive was used to convict, but the sentence is determined by the crime.

As for the reasons for violent crimes. I am very much aware there are many motives for committing violence. I was obviously talking about bullies not robbers.

My point was always that hate for a nerd or a gay or a minority are equal. Hate for someone who bumped your shoulder is just as irrational as gay bashing. I don't like the term "hate crime" becuase is segregates and we need less segregation and more equality in this world.

Nope, it's not. The motive is used to decide what charges you're bringing against someone. And whether a crime is murder 1, or murder 2 or something else is determined by the motive.

And no, hate for someone who bumped your shoulder isn't the same as hating a minority. It's actually more rational than hating a minority (mainly because you're hating a single individual who actualy did something to you - albeit by accident - as opposed to an entire group of people, where you don't know any of the individuals, and simply hate them due to a trait they share that is neutral and not harmful).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kasz216 said:

Actually for most schools a 3-day suspension is about the second worst thing that happens to you short of expulsion.

Expulsion isn't gonna happen unless someone brings in a weapon/uses a weapon or puts someone in an extended hospital stay.

I mean shit, someones ignorant and a bully, you your respond by permanently removing them from education from a school?

Doesn't really send the right message. 

EDIT: And I went to school in ohio.  So yeah, a 3 Day suspension is pretty serious.

Usually a punch gets you one day...

if Your in a two way fight, the agressor gets 3 days, the person defending themselves gets 1.

Or at least that was standard MO when I was in school way back when.

Yeah, I guess the bully is more important than the victims and their safety, right? It's more important to send out the message that you can beat someone up, and you'll get 3 days off from school for it, than that school is a place where you're suppose to feel safe, and if someone beats you up they'll be taken care of, no?

Great way of thinking. Guess that's why bullying is such a minor problem in American schools these days.

And punishing the victim for defending him/herself. Way to go! You guys have such a way with dealing with these issues.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)