What is better for each game? | |||
| Sound: Forza 4 | 29 | 6.26% | |
| Sound: GT5 | 6 | 1.30% | |
| Graphics: Forza 4 | 14 | 3.02% | |
| Graphics: GT5 | 67 | 14.47% | |
| Sound/Graphics: Forza 4 | 109 | 23.54% | |
| Sound/Graphics: GT5 | 144 | 31.10% | |
| Sound: Both about the same | 1 | 0.22% | |
| Graphics: Both about the same | 6 | 1.30% | |
| Sound/Graphics: Both about the same | 16 | 3.46% | |
| See results. | 69 | 14.90% | |
| Total: | 461 | ||
goforgold said:
tell me about it, that shit is damn fustrating |
Come on, you are the last that should talk, as you're behaving like a shill.
| ethomaz said:
Graphics: Cars and track (GT5) / Environment (Forza 4) (agreed) |
I'm not agreeing with either ethomaz's or Michael-5's arguments, but ethomaz's post above me hit the nail on the head to be honest.
Kynes said:
Come on, you are the last that should talk, as you're behaving like a shill. |
like a said, fucking...fustrating
listening to people state opinions as facts and have no fucking clue as to what the hell their talking about
ethomaz said:
What? People showed what? I showed a Punto standard looking on pair with Forza 4's Punto (I even think the Punto is better in GT5 without comparing interior view)... so what you are talking about? You don't realize how annoying and trolling you're being in this tread. |
ethomaz....man. I think when you right something like this, you gotta understand the bias your showing. That Punto you showed looked like in belonged in Forza 2, not even.
Do you have an agenda of trying to ruin Forza 4's reputation on VGC or something, or do you just hate anything 360?
I already made by thread killing comments, not going to squable with you. Just accept Forza 4 as a game of similar quality and move on. You can prefer GT5 all you like, but you are being really annoying my making these trolling remarks.
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| Alby_da_Wolf said: I won't comment on anything else, but you can't be serious about this. F1 regulations change often, and after they change they often (not always) prevent older cars from racing in successive seasons, but this doesn't make them not F1 anymore, and having them instead of newer ones in a sim racer just allows to simulate races of older seasons instead of more recent ones, but they remain F1. There are even very respected sim racers that focus on old F1 or GT seasons, for example, this doesn't make them less F1 or less GT. |
I still counted it as a point towards GT5.
My point about F1 in GT5 was that it's not a proper full pledge F1 like the LMP cars both Forza 4 and GT5 have are. They are cars you play for fun. Technically they are retired F1 cars in GT5, and wouldn't qualify for F1, and I was just pointing that out.
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| pezus said: Michael, your tallying post shows a bit of bias imo. But let's leave it at that. Edid: I'd also like to add that there are not only 25 cars in GT1. It has 180 cars. |
For that tally, you are free to suggest features I did not include. This is in hopes of removing any bias I may have.
And GT1....wth, why did I say it had 25? Yea it has 180 cars..okay, so then GT5 is the worst GT in the franchise IMO. Rally has taking a severe blow, quality is not uniform, and it seems PD just tried too add too much to the game and didn't succeed IMO.
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Next post. A tally of this threads results. (Which game has better graphics/sound according to the votes by VGC members).
Note: Others are users who haven't stated which games they played.
Forza 4 has better graphics & sound:
Users who have played both games: Michael-5, selnor, Nsanity
Users who have played Forza 4: Mohasus
Users who have only played GT5: plsee
Others: Cirio, smroadkill15, chapset, chrisinthehouse, RolStoppable, Dodece, ZaneWane, welshbloke, SpartenOmega117, forest-spirit, Chirizm,
GT5 has better graphics & sound:
Users who have played GT5: goforgold
Others: x_DMX_x, APKenna
Forza 4 has better graphics only, GT5 has better sound:
No one voted this option
GT5 has better graphics only, Forza 4 has better sound:
Others: Marks
Forza 4 has better graphics (no input on sound):
Users who have played both games: Badassbab
Users who haven't played either: Rainbird
Others: phinch1, kiefer23, JamaicameCRAZY, nightsurge, Andrespetmonkey, Machina (However I think he has played both), DirtyP2002, worldlyfall, miz1q2w3e
GT5 has better graphics (no input on sound):
Others: 4k1x3r, spurgeonryan, Booh!
Forza 4 has better sound (no input on graphics):
Users who have played both games: WhiteDevil
Others: kowenicki, Mummelmann, wick,
GT5 has better sound (no input on graphics):
Users who have only played GT5: ethomaz (Graphics: GT5 has better cars, Forza has better tracks), Aldro (same graphics arguement as ethomaz)
Others: MARCUSDJACKSON (but he did agree about Forza 4 being King)
Both games look and sound about the same:
Users who have played both games: enrageorrange, darklich13
Users who have only played Forza 4: yo_john117
Others: Level1Death, d0nni3, Troll_Whisperer, pezus (says pros and cons for both), Scoobes (pros/cons), ClassicGammingWizz, Reasonable, iWarMachine (pros/cons), brendude (pros/cons)
P.S. Thanks yo_john. I hope these two posts shut up all the over the top strong fans. Both games are excellent, and it doesn't matter if Forza 4 has better graphics/sound. The difference is minor, and many people can be fooled to which game is which in comparision videos.
Concluding remarks.
Lets see what we can take from this.
Not a single person who claimed to have played both GT5 and Forza 4 claimed GT5 graphics or sounds were better.
27 users said Forza 4 has better graphics, compared to only 7 for GT5, and 11 say it's about a draw.
21 users said Forza 4 has better sound, compared to only 6 for GT5, and 11 say it's about a draw.
So pezus most people think GT5 looks better?
I'm Crazy AHAHAHAHAHAHA....never again, I'm done with GT/Forza comparisions, your all crazy for bothing with this......
So now.... I have shown you, both games are abundant in features, and that more people on this thread think Forza 4 looks and sounds better then GT5.
Does anyone care still? GT5 is an awesome game, so what if the graphics/sounds are slightly better then GT5's? GT5 is a year old game, this makes sense. The fact that it holds up to Forza 4 shows quality.
Only thing not adressed in physics....but I have no conclusive method of measureing that. I will say that from my experience on track, bot have flaws. The above video of GT5 shows an impossible feat (suspensions will crumble), but at the same time Forza also isn't perfect. Physics will only improve next gen, and the gen after that.
No more hate.....No more hate...
/thread.
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goforgold said:
like a said, fucking...fustrating listening to people state opinions as facts and have no fucking clue as to what the hell their talking about |
That's exactly what your doing isn't it?
This is why I posted that tally. Now please.......
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| Michael-5 said: This post is intended to shut goforgold up. I'm stoping this thread 1 user at a time. My goal here is to show that both GT5 and Forza 4 are loaded with unique and exclusive content that would make race car sim enthusiasts want both games in roughly equal proportions. If either game has a few more traits then the other, who cares! The number of pros each game has is about the same. Every + each game gets is based off facts. Nothing subjective such as quality of the sim, or quality of the graphics will be included. For arguement perposed premium cars will be considered on par with Forza 4 cars, and tracks will be considered on par as well. I will include a second tally in a second post showing how most users on this thread think Forza 4 looks better, but for this post, graphics are the same (it will can out in both games anyway. Anyway.. Lets start: Cars: GT5 has more total cars Forza 4 has more premium model cars. Manufacterers (Real manufacters only): GT5 - 76, Forza 4 - 79 (plus the warthog lol) - tie(Note: Tuning companies do no count as manufacterers. A AMG modified Benz is still an AMG, a Nismo tuned Nissan is still a Nissan, a Mugen tuned Honda is still a Honda. Forza lists tuner cars under parent companies so even if I counted tuners seperatly Forza would still be about the same. Cars from Japan/Korea, GT5 has 635/1031 cars from this region. Forza 4 - 120/530 Cars from USA: GT5 - 88, Forza 4 - 128 Cars from Italy: GT5 - 50, Forza 4 - 65 Cars from Germany: GT5 - 95, Forza 4 - 101 tie 5% difference, big whoop. Those 4 regions roughly split the bulk of world automotive sales, and are where most sports cars originate from. Britain, Sweden, France, etc are all small regions, so other smaller european regions will be combined. Total will not add up because tiny regions like Australia are not accounted for. Cars from the rest of Europe: GT5 - 105, Forza 4 - 86 Distribution of Cars: GT5- 61.6% Japan/Korean, 10.2% Other/Europe, 9.2% Germany 8.1% USA, 4.8% Italy. Forza 4- 24.2% USA, 22.6% Japan/Korea, 19.1% Germany, 16.2% Other/Europe, 12.3% Italy. Car types: Rally - Both have them tie
apperently GT5 has 33 rally cars, I tried to find a Forza 4 list came up with nothing, there's not Dirt, or Snow, which is intergral to the rally experience, neither of which exist in Forza but Micheal 5 said it's a tie....... Nascar - GT5 has more, and NASCAR is more integrated GT5 wins here Go-Karts - GT5 only GT5 wins here Group C Race Cars - both, tie Their are 7 group C cars in GT5......1 group c car in Forza 4, Micheal 5 conclusion.....tie German Touring Cars - Forza 4 has more, not going to count, but you already said agreed goforgold So I have forza wins here F1 - GT5 has old unlicence F1 cars GT5 wins here Le Mans Prototypes - Forza 4 has significantly more There are 26 LMP cars in Forza and 23 in GT5......significantly more....tie, and that's being nice considereing the actual is non existant in Forza 4 Race modified cars total (GT1, GT2, RM) - GT5 - 75, Forza 4 - 80. tie the difference is small. Agreed tie Features: Rain, Snow, and other weather effects GT5 (weight 2-Rain/Snow) GT5 wins here Night Racing - GT5 GT5 wins here Dynamic Sun - GT5 GT5 wins here Dynamic tire deformation model - Forza 4 Forza wins here Simulation Damage Modeling - Forza 4 (GT5 has a penaly system, not an active simulation damage model due to copyrights) For the last time GT5 has a simulation damage model I posted the damn link read it - Tie Cosmetic Damage Modeling - tie, both have it Tie Tracks and Track types: Number of Tracks - 26 for both tie Tie Number of Variations - Forza 4 has over 100, GT5 has something like 70/80 Forza wins here I could easily nit pic but I'm not Dirt Tracks - GT5 GT5 wins here Snow tracks not mentioned GT5 wins here City Tracks - tie both games have them (Forza 4 does have one, but I forget the name. It's the coastal city in itally). 1 track vs 9 Tracks not including variations (over 18 if included) no tie GT5 wins here Race Types: 24 Hour Endurance Races - GT5 GT5 wins here Season Mode - Forza 4 o....k Forza wins here Total Event Count - Forza 4 has 140 I believe. GT5 has 63 + a few Specials not including seasonals and the added strain of endurances (1 24 hour enduro = 100 5 min racesand GT5 has 4 of those) Tie Event Variety (not included) GT5 wins here Point to Point Rally - GT5 GT5 wins here Point to Point Track Racing - Forza 4 Forza 4 wins here Licence Testing - GT5 I would give this feature 2 weight just because it's pretty awesome, but Forza 4 does offer hints in game as well. So 1 weight, like everything else. GT5 wins here Drift Trials - tie Both games have this feature. In fact there was an achievement in Forza 3 for completing a race with 100,000 Kudos (which means drifting an entire lap on Nurburgring or Mt. Fuji). Tie Miscellaneous/Car Culture: Top Gear Integration - Forza 4 as narraration by Clarkson, as well as multiple game types suggested by the crew of Top Gear, but both have the Top Gear Track. Accessibility for newcomers - Forza 4 has autobrake and rewind for young gamers, and casual newcomers, liecses test being a far more viable and realistic approach to getting new comers Tie Track Creator - GT5 Agreed Leveling Syste w/ Rewards - tie Agreed Car Affinities - Forza 4, but Zero weight. Only a feature appreciated by hardcore players. Paint Editor - Forza 4 Auction House - tie no weight Dyno Test - Forza 4, but again zero weight Amount of Online play, and Integration of Online features and leaderboards - Forza 4. GT5 only has a few race types, ghosts, and leaderboard per track per race type. Forza 4 has all that along with fun game modes (like Cat & Mouse), and Rivals Mode. GT5 has a MASSIVE amount of race typesyou don't know what the hell your talking about Tie AutoVista Mode - Forza 4 no weight Museum Mode - GT5 no weight Total: GT5: 19 Forza 4: 9 tie: 10 As you see. Both games have a lot of features the other games lack. Both games have their own highlights. Now stubborn people of this thread. Accept other people (not most, not a few, just other people) prefer either GT5 or Forza 4. Accept that both games are amazing (I don't want to hear any more BS like one game is lacking features, content, or anything), and move on. Next post will tally the results of this thread. Who, and how many people, think which game looks and sound better, which games have those voters actually played. goforgold I expect to hear no more on this subject from you. If I missed any categories, or features. Quote this and tell me what I missed. I will repost and add it, unless it's something whcih is opinion based (physics, sim quality, etc), or really silly. |
Fixed for accuracy
conclusion - not in the sme league
edit: Car Sounds: Forza wins here
final break down GT5 19 - Forza 4 10 - tie 10
Grafix:
ive played both an i believe gt5 looks better, gt5 deffo has more flaws but it has been designed ground up to accomodate a higher resolution and more ai cars, plus actual real lighting including day night shifts, but all that comes at a cost with pixelated shadows and shadow flicker. for some reason it does it more on some tracks than other. when on song the action on screen looks incredible, everything is crisp and smooth looking. the cars look real (premium) and tracks look amazing especially the city tracks. no tracks on forza 4 are more detailed than the rome madrid and tokyo R circuits. yet during heavy on screen action you do notice jitters in frames nothing game spoiling but you kinda wish it wasnt there, theres also lots of little detail like flashing head lights the shulsport gtr with its triple flash looks cool in the dark and i also noticed your driver looks into rear mirror when reversing, not sure if thats in forza didnt check it
with forza 4, all the visuals are ultra vibrant and colourful with more track detail (normal circuits), but the picture does in no way look like realistic cars/tracks, just jump on nordshliffe and it looks the same as pgr4 rendition brash colourful etc, by all means that doesnt make the grafix suck or anything it just looks different. some of the issues i had with forza 4 was the AA you could see lines all over the place it wasnt as smooth or as crisp as gt5 this was very apparant on the top gear track, the 2nd to last left turn it was difficult to make out the angle due to AA jagging out the edges (my samsung plasma currently has edge smoothing turned off) but id give forza 4 a 9/10 for visuals, although i believe gt5 looks better due to inconsitany id also give it 9/10
Sound:
this is a strange catagory imo, as both sound good, the difference being forza 4 sounds are more profound. one example i can give the lexus 10 almost sounds like an f1 car it sounds terrific, on gt5 it sounds good in normal views but change to external view and you can hear the exhaust/engine rasping away etc. on forza 4 they have designed the audio to be similar all round almost eg which ever view you choose you will always get that rasping exhaust note/engine so thats a design choice and because this is a game were talking about i think forza 4 sounds better although gt5 also sounds cool, probably a 9/10 for forza and 8.5/10 for gt5
Gameplay:
again its a difficult one, depends on what you actually want out of the game, forza 4 everything is there for you to try ie any car and track, gt5 you have to work towards unlocking topgear track and nordshliffe etc. gt5 will deffo take more of your time to unlock and gain levels. the actual driving is where gt5 shines the way the cars handle to the way the track gradients are modeled its just the best ive ever played. with my time on forza 4 i didnt get the same feeling re: handling and track gradient authenticity but if you buy forza 4 you will deffo enjoy it, id give gt5 a 9/10 here and forza 8/10
Longevity:
theres not really a contest here, gt5 has much more to do its a massive game with constand updating challenges/events to try out, although the 800 standard cars arnt as good as the premiums they are however a good addition as many of the cars you wont really find in driving games, forza 4 has about 500 premiums the variety is more varied although non of them have rear internal views and from what ive played correct me if im wrong, none of the cars in forza seems to have any windscreens? many cars in gt5 when you switch in car view have real window tint. i just thought that was a neat little touch imo, but due to grater number of premiums id give car selection a draw, but i could understand users choosing forza cars due to higher number. again so sum up gt5 is a much larger game and will last you a lot longer, its the best investment ive made this gen and although a year old i still find new stuff to do on it, 1990 fiat panda 181bhp on nordshliffe was a blast! lol. online there both great but different users will have different tastes re:online 10/10 for gt5 9/10 for forza
Gripes:
my main gripes with gt5 are the snow rally chamonix course is utterly ruined by the snow pixalation, you cant re choose a car when you are doing practice courses you have to come out to main screen and re choose car, some of the standards look shit some are medium and some are actually very good indeed, but the plus point is there will always be updates for gt5 im hoping they can fix some of the issues ive raised re: gt5
forza 4, the AA is off putting but it deffo stays at more steady frame rate, all the tracks are the same as forza 3 bar 4, all the cars are same as forza 3 bar 90, i just felt it was the same game as forza 3 with additions, even when announced forza 4 was announced as forza kinect at e3 a few years ago, the ai still runs it self of road when you drive behind it etc
Conclusion:
both can co exist imo, i dont give a damn about reviewers ive never played a car game as much as gt5 once you get into its details its just amazing to take cars out to drive, and with forza its also a terrific game just different to gt5 i can understand them playing it safe to get forza more appealing to all ages it deffo does that but i wish they stuck to forza 2 single player formula which was much much better than just completing races and gaining all cars that way, it was an amazing satisfaction to save up 14million credits to get the chapparel 2j in gt5, in forza you can just keep playing season/world tour and gain most cars that way
all in all depends what you want, forza is for all ages gt5 isnt, id sum it up by saying gt5 is more for driving enthusiasts whilst forza is more for hobbyest where you can paint cars and trade them etc
my fave is gt5 i wouldnt give it less than 9.5 its just given me to much enjoyment, forza id give it 9.0 it does what it set out to and does it well
so for me its deffo gt5
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