you completely ignored the post that furthered my argument as to remain in your fantsy world

Does Forza have group C race cars yes

I checked and no it doesn't, do you even know what Group C cars even are??

Does Forza have Rally cars yes

I didn't see any in this category either.....you do know what Rally Cars are don't you???

Does Forza have NASCAR cars and tracks

I saw 2 stock cars neither of them official, but what ever they exist, now compare those 2 stock cars to the 22 official cars in GT5......which one has the better NASCAR showing

Does Forza have German Touring Cars yup, more then GT5 actually

You got me there

Does Forza have Karts This is a racing sim, not Mario Kart/Need for Speed.

FUCKING LOL, Aryton Senna, Micheal Schumacher, Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel.......all got their starts in Kart Racing, just fucking LOL

Does Forza have any F1 cars Well it has Le Mans Prototypes, which are what's big in Motorsport in Americas. Trade off since GT5's F1 cars are not new models, nor licenced, thus not F1.

LOL Le Mans has nothing to do with this and, How can it be a trade off if GT5 has both???, also the Sport is not licensed the cars are, and I know your not saying just because they're older model cars (hardly 07- 10) disqualifies them form being F1 cars because that would just be......well.....stupid 

Is there dynamic Rain in Forza PGR4 has this, does this 1 aspect make that a better sim then GT5? Think about what you are saying

The default Forza fan argument 1.) PGR HAS FUCKING NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS STOP BRINGING IT UP, 2.) just having a feature doesn't make it better but comparable, so your defense for Forza 4 is that PGR 4 a game released in 07 has more features than Forza 4 the 2011 game..........again FUCKING LOLZ!!!

Can you race on Dirt roads in Forza No

At least your honest here with no bullshit excuses

Can you watch the sun go down in Forza Kind of

You can park that sun on the horizon and watch that sun all you want,  but it aint going nowhere, in GT5 no only can you watch the sun go down, you can watch it come beck up again.....in real time no less

Can you race at night in Forza No

You could race at night in GT1 on the ps1 almost 15 years ago.....just pathetic

Can you do a full 24 hours of Le Mans in Forza No

So what's the point of having any LMP cars at all, if you have no way to experience the event they where born and bread for, even GT4 had that......shame

Are there any endurance (races that last for at least 2 hours or more) races at all in Forza 4 Not sure

Which got me wondering are their pit stops in Forza, You know where you can change tires and refuel, and if so....why

is there a Track editor in Forza 4 Is there a track editor in GT5? No. It's computer generated based on a questionnaire. Hardly an editor.

But it's a editor non the less, I create tons of different and unique tracks, and that wasn't the question the question was is it in Forza 4, I'll take your reply as a no, added to that long list of no's

Are there point to point Rally in Forza 4 Yup, Forza 1 actually introduced this, and it's been in every Forza except 2. GT5 copied.

You do know by point to point rally I mean Driving with a co-driver because you'll never know the layout of the track (and he does and tells it to as you drive in real time) in this breath GT5 has an infinite amount of rally courses complete different form each other

Are there City courses in Forza 4 Not sure

That's a no there are non

Are there License Test in Forza Nope

Are there Drift Trails in Forza Yes

By drift trails I mean an official feature that calculates a score based on the quality of the drift, like GT5's sector mode drift trails and full lap Drift Trails, I didn't see any in Forza can you show me where???

WTF can you do in Forza??? honest question from someone who hasn't played Forza 4 but is 90% complete with GT5, sell me Forza 4 what are the things I can do that I can't do in GT5

Well you literally asked every feature so

Is there simulation damage modeling in GT5?

Why yes, yes there is

Is there cosmetic damage modeling in GT5?

Why yes, Yes it does

Is there car affinities in GT5?

So, funny thing, I had no idea what you where talking about so I looked it up and affinities are like rewards you get with manufacturers for using their cars more, like discounts on cars and free parts and what no, So Forza a better sim because it has a discount mode..........ok

Is there a leveling system with rewards in GT5?

Why yes, yes there is

How many cups are there in GT5?

Umm.......LOTS lol a ton

Is there a dyno test in GT5?

No, only way to test your car set ups in GT5 is to get out there and drive it

Is there a paint editor in GT5?

 No, paint editor has nothing do with a racing simulator

I take that back LMAO!!!!

Is Jermery Clarkson nararrating GT5?

How many game types are there available online in GT5?

as many as your mind can create??? Drift, Drag, Rally, Nascar, 24 hour le mans, F1, Karting, Snow, Rain, etc endless amounts of game types

How many premium cars are there in GT5?

About ehhh 220 and some change

Can you adjust the difficulty of the AI in GT5?

Why yes, yes you can

Are there integration features such as rewind for beginer drivers in GT5(e.g. rewind/autobrake)?

No because GT5 believes in actually teaching you how to drive and not holding your had (breaking for you, making it so you never make a mistake) it's one of the many reasons GT5 is considered a much more hardcore sim than Forza, GT5 licenses test teach you how to drive.....it doesn't drive for you

Does GT5 have LMP1 or LMP2 cars?

Why yes, yes it does

Does GT5 have GT1 or GT2 cars available for purchase?

Why yes, yes it does

How many track varients does GT5 have?

Hot tracks, Cold Tracks, Warm Tracks, Snow tracks, Dirt Tracks, Wet Tracks, Rain Tracks, Snowing Tracks, Night Tracks, Day tracks, Long Tracks, Short Tracks, City Tracks......yeah bro, lots and lots of track variants,  how many does Forza 4 have?

How many car manufacters does FT5 have?

By my count 96 how many are in Forza 4??

How many Ferrari's does GT5 have?

lol what the fuck does it matter, 12

Lamborghini's?

7

BMW's?

19

Nissans (lol)?

to many to count over 100 though

Can you view car models up close, including engine bays and storage compartments?

No but I heard you can for 25 cars must be cool huh

Is there a career mode in GT5?

Kinda lol

I can go on, but I said I wanted out. This thread has just plain gone to hell.