Nobody said that!

Look I've played Forza 3 and GT5 a combined 150 hours, been on a real track too. Forza 4 has more accurate steering, braking, and well physics in general. That's the conclusion anyone who has played a good amount of both franchises has come too.

What people concluded is Forza 3 ws king in 2009, GT5 was king in 2010, and now Forza 4 is King, but when the next GT or Forza comes out it will be king.

The only people who argue GT5 is better are those who haven't played Forza 4 or don't have an X-Box. We call came to this conclusion like 5 pages ago and yo_john and I were just talking about cars when you brought your big nose back into some stupid arguement.

Just let it go. Accept GT5 isn't king anymore. Both the premium cars and Forza 4 cars look excellent and roughly on par too.

Stop whining! This is just annoying.

SMH

Your opinion cannot be trusted at all on this matter...and if I was to name all the other people in this thread that can't be trusted this post would be absolutely huge.

Booh at the end of the day will you admit they are both admirable racing sims that both look really good graphically? 

pssshh

No he won't. That's why he is a troll.

You can't call yourself unbiased if you ignore the traits of Forza, and overhighlight the traits of GT5.

In every picture you or anyone else has shown, in the OP video, Forza 4 looks better then GT5. However the difference isn't huge, but people who haven't played Forza 4 or who don't even own or have access to a 360 have no trouble finding any flaws in Forza 4.

The fact is, Forza 4 is king for now, but the difference between Forza 4 and GT5 isn't huge. The same thing happened last fall, GT5 is a better sim and has better graphics then Forza 3, but again the difference isn't huge. Forza 3 was the only big major jump in quality (from Forza 2), and well the increments between Forza 2, PGR3, and GT4 prior were much smaller.

Anyway who cares, everyone who has played both games (and isn't making assumptions on Forza 4 based on Forza 3) has already agreed to the above. The fact that this arguement continues shows that trolls can't accept it and look for pathetic arguements like licence plate covers being missing.

Heck I'll even admit that I am biased towards Forza (because I'm biased towards the 360 and because Forza has always been my main sim game), but not anywhere near enough to bash the competition like many feel they have to do. It just erks me that people feel the need to do that, seriously just grow up.

It looks like nobody realized yet that both GT5 and F4 fans and both Sony and MS ones can present their evidences, but neither of them can proclaim the winner. Neither can fans of other consoles and games, unless it's proven they are totally unbiased. Neither can we PC gamers, as we consider our architecture superior. So, in the end, only people not caring at all could maybe judge the question unbiasedly, but they won't come here to do it. More than a tie I'd say it's a stalemate.

I am probably a bit biased towards Forza as a game, but I'm not sure. I have reasons for prefering Forza 3/4 (as games, not sim quality) over GT5. For one you aren't forced to tune your cars to win races, and you get to race in almost any car you like. However GT does have licencing which helps new comers learn how to race. As a veteran I also am annoyed at how easily Turn 10 give out cars in Forza 3/4, and how the game is oriented at racing specifically fast cars, but not medium or low end models (many races have no upper performance limit). At the same time, I am annoyed at GT5 specifically for basically abandoning Rally in their games (used to be a much bigger centerfold). Also licencing is a joke now that I'm actually good.

So as a game, both have flaws, but I'll admit I do prefer Forza as a game. It has more fun aspects in the game. Online is better designed, you can race almost any car you like, without grinding or repeating races for $$$, and there is more car culture in the game (Top Gear is a lot more integrated into Forza 4 then GT5). However am I biased for thinking this? Forza 3 and 4 have a metascore above 9/10, and many trustable websites gave Forza 4 a score of 9.5/10. GT5 got an 8.5/10 in IGN (GT gave it a 9/10, and I do trust GT reviews much more) and it's metascore is below 85/100. So I do like Forza games (as games) better then GT5 (specifically GT5, older GT's were much much better), but judging from reviews, most people do too.

As a SIM, I don't think I'm biased. Next gen I will be getting both a PS4 and Next-Box, with get a fan-tec multiconsole steering wheel with clutch and gearbox, and a recardo chair to race in, with surround sound. I pursue the most authentic sim as I do want to race cars in the future as a hobby, and a more realistic sim is better practice. So I have no trouble disagreeing with the majority when I feel the situation is just. I don't think I'm biased in the sim aspect.

I mean, just look at some GT5-Forza 4 comparision videos. In Forza 4 you really have to struggle to keep a powerful mid engined car in line. In GT5 you only struggle when accelerating from a turn, never going into it, and never during the turn.

Yeah I would say you are kind of biased towards Forza but not too the point of slagging on GT5.

As far as the sim aspects of games go, I trust you a lot more than most other people here.

This is a bit off topic but are all A class cars in Forza 4 such a bitch to handle? I really can't race with them without traction control on.

trasharmdsister12 said: I just know I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning and see 4-5 more annoying posts in this thread.

Just another day on the interwebz! If not here they would be somewhere else on this site :PP

First, thank you.

Second, you get used to it. One of the reasons mid-engined cars are faster is because the back end drifts so easily. By putting your car in a minor drift, you are angling the car toward the apec of the turn more naturally, and more power is used to push your car towards the apex.

When you get better, controlling a mid-engined beast becomes more natural. For instance I gave a friend a race spec Corvette ZR1 in GT5, and he told me the car was undrivable, but honestly I thought it was very forgiving, and smooth. When I watch replays of myself race in GT5 and Forza 3/4 I drift considerably now, and I don't even notice.

When I'm done Forza 3, I'll show you how it's done in Forza 4.

yo_john117 said: trasharmdsister12 said: I just know I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning and see 40-50 more annoying posts in this thread. Just another day on the interwebz! If not here they would be somewhere else on this site :PP

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