Kantor,

The $2500 is the amount that a person can give to a actual politicians campaign. Not what a company can give to a politicians campaign. A company can give $5000 to a political campaign. Yet companies can get around this limitation. Companies can give money to organizations that support a politician without giving the money directly to the politician and the rules are slippery.

The Citizens United ruling allows corporations to donate as much as they want to a 501c4 which does not have to disclose who its donors are. SuperPac's need to disclose who the donors are, but get this they can take donations from 501c4s and since 501c4s dont need to disclose the donors in reality knowing that a SuperPac got $X from a 501c4 tells you nothing. So Karl Rove for instance has already declared his SuperPac and 501c4 (separate organizations) that they will spend $250 million supporting the GOP candidate for President.

Corporate Personhood is giving corporations human rights. Like allowing corporations to no turnover incriminating documents claiming the 5th amendment (not incriminating yourself). Certainly you have heard people say stuff like Corporations will be people when Texas executes one.

Basic mantra that many in the OWS is "Corporations are not people and money is not speech". People are asking for congress to simply pass a law to overturn a Supreme Court decision. This will take an amendment to the Constitution.

As for President Obama contributions from Wall Street. Do some digging and you will see they came from individual employees of financial services companies. The President's campaign was dominated by small individual donations from actual people. And President Obama is not clearly left wing. He is more of a moderate.

Also early on in the Tea Party can you tell me what the demands were other than. Also notice that at the initial rally's GOP politicians and FOX anchors were speaking to the Tea Party groups as presenters.

President Obama isnt a US Citizen, Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Alien, Nazi, not human, etc. etc. etc.
Keep the Governments hands off my Medicare.
Lets take our country back (I didnt know it was gone).
Keep your hands off my guns.
Stop giving illegals amnesty.

Great political cartoon all about OWS. http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20154363c25b0970c-320wi

1 - From what I see the path ahead, I think we're in pretty big trouble regardless. it's more of a "pick your poison" sort of thing this late in the game.

2 - I guess what I support is the disssent of the people, in hopes that a leader of sound mind will rise and move this nation in a positive direction that is fair and equal to its citizens. Yeah, I know, its a pipe dream, but it keeps me from giving up on the world. ;)

3 - Well, we went to Afghanistan to hunt Bin Laden and AlQaeda, or so legend has it. Then suddenly we're in Iraq, with no threat from them whatsoever. Hell, Hussein was probably the most westernized leader there was in the mideast. Not in terms of democracy, but one that somewhat relished in the materialistc culture.

4 -  That's just it, even when these guys do get charged, they get slap-on-the-wrist sentences. There's a picture floating around Facebook, basically its 2 news articles, one where a homeless guy robbed $100 from a bank for food, but on guilty conscious returned it, got 15 years in prison. The other article, an ex CEO of a mortgage company got caught in a 3 billion dollar fraud scheme, got 40 months in prison. I guess the big difference is that at least the homelss guy has a place to sleep and free meals now.

5- That's where the gov't comes in, they're creating the prioposed laws, so it gets designed to be laws that either way would be balanced regardless of outcome. I think that people's mentality might change a bit when they don't feel so bent over the table.  I actually read today about Rick Perry suggesting a flat tax, which is something I favor - no more tax breaks for anyone, everyone pays the same percentage of taxes, regardless of how much you make. One simple fair and equal percentage for everyone.

1 - See, I see a whole lot of nothing happening in the future, because we have the same economy we had when everything was great... it's just, everything was great... and economics wise we're still a hell of a lot better then most countries, including Europeon ones.  Greece is going to get by with out a reveloution.   The US Should be just fine.

2 - Fair enough, i'd argue though that the occupy wallstreet movement could learn a lot from the tea-party policy wise if "corruptability by lobbyists" is the main worry.

3- We can't fight two different wars for two different reasons?  We did go to War in Afghanistan to get Bin Laden and take out the Taliban who was supporting him.  Bush sucked at it, but Afghanistan has really been nothing but an albatross and always will be.  Afghanistan I believe don't have any oil reserves in large numbers,  I've seen people argue oil pipeline, but the Caspian Sea makes way more sense then an oil pipeline through Afganistan.

4- Your equating armed robbery where someone takes something from someone else, to someone accepting a gift from someone else they aren't supposed to? 

5 - If that's the case I don't think you'd get rid of corruption.  The average person can't recognize special interest stuff in bills, and politicians would just claim their opponents bills are nothing but that.  People won't want a flat tax, even in corporations, hence how these corruption based subsiies happen in the first place.   Gotta support green energy/health industry/hardworker (factory) farmers, etc.

I walk by the protests in at the Chicago Federal Reserve building every week on my way to class. I definitly agree with their message. I mean it goes without saying, with the economy goign down the crapper while these banks and large corporations are getting these fat juicy bailouts, obviously people are going to get pissed. But with that said, they do start to get a bit annoying when you pass them as often as I do.

Nice to know you agree with this person:

Go look up Money as Debt also, which goes into details.  Want a real kicker?  Once the banks create the loan, and do that, they now have an asset they can then create another loan off.  Once the money they create gets into the economy, say someone then deposits this money that got into the economy into another bank and the money is then lent out yet again.  This gets real ugly but is what happen.  Every loan created more consumption of future income that comes into being.

There is no official 14 point plan.  Some individuals can go off and claim now there is a 14 point plan, as they have, but it doesn't mean there is one.  On this note, I am seeing both that their "14 point plan is insane" and also "they don't know what they want".  Both these charges are being thrown about and they both can't be true.

What you have is people upset at the current condition for a lot of reasons, have their own opinions and thoughts, and want this or that done.  Doesn't mean the group as a whole has it, but just a bunch of individuals.  So far, unlike the Tea Party (post Ron Paul Revolution), the group hasn't been infiltrated by certain my certain rich individuals and other political powers that be, to push things a certain way, so the message seems muddled.  What I will say is that, if things continue the way it is, that isn't going to happen.

Its nice to know you'd rather argue with logical fallacies than addressing the substance of someone's argument ...