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Kasz216 on 20 October 2011
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Raze said:
Kasz216 said:
 


1)  That didn't actually adress anything.  Also if people are going to revolt because of europeon level unemployment... we're in real trouble as a people as far as realism goes.

2) Supporting someone who will make things worse is just, stupid.  Even if you do agree with their overall reason of being upset.

3)  Those people in the military, were any of them actually policy making people?  Why would your average footsoldier be told anything about why people invaded.  Where are you getting the US thought it would help "oil" control.   Hell where are you even getting "Al Queda"?   The offical line was "Weapons of Mass Destruction". 

The unoffical line is Bush beleived in Democratic exceptionilism and that he could just knock over foreign countries with unpopular leaders, set up a democracy and all would be well... and what better country to start with then the one that

A) His father couldn't conquer

B) Tried to kill his father.

C) Was giving the US a great excuse by not letting weapons inspectors in, and by lieign to Saddam Hussein who actually thought he did have WMDs.   Well more WMDs then he had, because they did find WMDs, just not the big name WMDS like nukes.

D) Is right next to to Iran who is causing all kinds of trouble and can't be as eaisly directly acted against.   Sure Afghanistan is right next to Iran too, but the worthless 3/4ths of Iran.  If you ever look at a map of Iran you'll notice everything is situated on the third to the west.

 

4)  That's one politician,  I wouldn't mind seeing an investigation into Cheney but considering the fact that i believe he donated all his Enron money to charity as soon as he got it, I'm not sure what the motivation for corruption would be.  However most politicians generally do get charged or investgated for bribery, sure some get away like Frank Dodd.  (How he's the head of the "anti-banking bill" and people take that bill seriously when he was caught taking bribes from banks i'll never know.)

5)  I actually think direct democracy could work pretty well with modern technology.   The issue is we'd have Tyranny of the Majority and people would either put their short term benefits ahead of the long term or even worse put neither ahead of each other and vote for something that "sounds good".   The demands of the Occupy Wallstreet movement which are mostly gibberish pretty accurately reflects this.

A $20 minium wage sounds great to the laymen.... in practice....

1 - From what I see the path ahead, I think we're in pretty big trouble regardless. it's more of a "pick your poison" sort of thing this late in the game.

2 - I guess what I support is the disssent of the people, in hopes that a leader of sound mind will rise and move this nation in a positive direction that is fair and equal to its citizens. Yeah, I know, its a pipe dream, but it keeps me from giving up on the world. ;)

3 - Well, we went to Afghanistan to hunt Bin Laden and AlQaeda, or so legend has it. Then suddenly we're in Iraq, with no threat from them whatsoever. Hell, Hussein was probably the most westernized leader there was in the mideast. Not in terms of democracy, but one that somewhat relished in the materialistc culture.

4 -  That's just it, even when these guys do get charged, they get slap-on-the-wrist sentences. There's a picture floating around Facebook, basically its 2 news articles, one where a homeless guy robbed $100 from a bank for food, but on guilty conscious returned it, got 15 years in prison. The other article, an ex CEO of a mortgage company got caught in a 3 billion dollar fraud scheme, got 40 months in prison. I guess the big difference is that at least the homelss guy has a place to sleep and free meals now.

5- That's where the gov't comes in, they're creating the prioposed laws, so it gets designed to be laws that either way would be balanced regardless of outcome. I think that people's mentality might change a bit when they don't feel so bent over the table.  I actually read today about Rick Perry suggesting a flat tax, which is something I favor - no more tax breaks for anyone, everyone pays the same percentage of taxes, regardless of how much you make. One simple fair and equal percentage for everyone.

1 - See, I see a whole lot of nothing happening in the future, because we have the same economy we had when everything was great... it's just, everything was great... and economics wise we're still a hell of a lot better then most countries, including Europeon ones.  Greece is going to get by with out a reveloution.   The US Should be just fine.

2 - Fair enough, i'd argue though that the occupy wallstreet movement could learn a lot from the tea-party policy wise if "corruptability by lobbyists" is the main worry.

3- We can't fight two different wars for two different reasons?  We did go to War in Afghanistan to get Bin Laden and take out the Taliban who was supporting him.  Bush sucked at it, but Afghanistan has really been nothing but an albatross and always will be.  Afghanistan I believe don't have any oil reserves in large numbers,  I've seen people argue oil pipeline, but the Caspian Sea makes way more sense then an oil pipeline through Afganistan.

4- Your equating armed robbery where someone takes something from someone else, to someone accepting a gift from someone else they aren't supposed to? 

5 - If that's the case I don't think you'd get rid of corruption.  The average person can't recognize special interest stuff in bills, and politicians would just claim their opponents bills are nothing but that.  People won't want a flat tax, even in corporations, hence how these corruption based subsiies happen in the first place.   Gotta support green energy/health industry/hardworker (factory) farmers, etc.