You are one Moogle hair away from being legally blind.

Ha... NO

The bolded is so true. Sometimes it's like if there's a lot going on they think it's the graphics engine while the animators are really good at what they do. The cinematic feel of Uncharted has no equal but graphicaly it's not mind blowing like number 2 was simply because there are prettier games out there. It's the same thing as MGS4 when people kept saying the game had the best graphics but when you looked at the textures on walls and other characters it was nothing beyond other impressive titles.

Superchunk, you better pray BF3's final version looks an ENTIRE GENERATION ahead of what was released in the BF3 beta on the PS3, because if it's not, it won't even touch UNCHARTED 1 visually

well my 2 cents on the graphics

Battlefield 3 Graphics- realistic looking dirt
Uncharted 3 Graphics- pretty looking dirt

depends what you like. do you really want games to look realistic as possible? I always felt uncharted graphics looked more like computer animation (Pixar!) so i found the visuals to be more appealing. It was just better and prettier to look at.

Now Battlefield 3 Graphics.... there is realistic looking dirt in my backyard

I think the reason people like realism is because it is a lot like the real world... but you can do things in it that you can't in our real world. People like the idea of being in a world that looks real and being able to do crazy/spectacular things in it.

I understand... but i also thinks that one of the things that Uncharted does so well, for me at least, is that it has a very nice blend realisitc looking graphics/pretty graphics. Battlefield 3 always just looked sooo...whats the word....realistic sidewalk?

Trust me, it really does look that good...but only at a distance, if you get close up the textures are very muddy.

OT: Uncharted 3 will be the game that is "as good as it gets this gen"

Battlefield 3 looked like ass but it was only the beta so I'll wait until I play the actual game before I make my judgement.

I toattally agree.

I'm sure people will try and jump in and say gears 3 is better or uc3 looks better. The fact of the matter is technically they are not even close.
Gears 3 looks amazing and I still agree with that. However after playing rage on my setup 5 days ago, its very clear that rage shoves a shotgun Harrell up its arse and pulls the trigger. The smoothness, the detail, death animations basically how everything comes together makes any other game imo barking up the wrong tree.

I'm not impressed when I see unhcarteds semi cinematic semi gameplay sequences or purely cinematic scenes. If drake was having a huge full gameplay firefight against 20 enemies whilst moving at 60 fps and have the sand move like that then wow. But the actual gameplay I've seen of uc3 doesntt cut it. Same for gears 3. To be fair gears 3 is throwing around alot during gameplay. But the fact that rage looks better and runs at twice the framerate to me says half you guys here are smoking something.

I picked up forza 4 yesterday, and the ibl lighting is better than bloody godrays and the usual light and shadow found jn gears or uncharted. In forza for example depending on the level of light and the angle the colour of red on a car a for example changes shade.

Its this forward motion in technical level during gameplay that's amazing. Not like the first party studios going look how good our not actual gameplay bits look. Or the bits where nothing at all happens then tone it down when a firefight starts.

Psshhhh. Wake up people.

Idtech 5 is a brilliant engine. So is frostbite 2.0. Much more advanced than the engines behind uncharted and gears.
Its fairly simple actually.