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Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I think 7th gen console sales will drop earlier in Japan then the rest of the world. I think 2012 is the last year PS3 will have decent sales in Japan. After that PS3/360 sales will be even, regardless of market strategy. The generation will be ending, sales overall will be down. 360 will remain above PS3 until the 8th gen comes out IMO. well i still belive 360 will fall in the EMEAA's. PS3 will be stable in the Amaricas, and the RPG's will carry PS3 through Japan. you'd better watch out for a possible monster hunter on PS3.

What PS3 exclusive RPG's have a confirmed 2012 release date in Japan? The Last Guardian is not an RPG. don't need confirmation when you know its going to happen! better yet wht do we kow about next yr in any region? yea few things maybe but the unknown is the only factor that matters.

360 outsells PS3 in Americas for multiple reasons. More appeal to casual gamers (Halo is bigger then Killsone, and FPS's are favored on 360), Kinect appeals to casual gamers, used games are cheaper due to the larger volume, and the exclusives are catered to Americans. I personally like Gears Halo and Forza over any PS3 exclusive. Uncharted and Killzone come 4th and fifth, but I think to most americans/canadian, we rather have Halo. It's also domestic, like PS3 is in Japan, and most good games a multiplatform now days. (Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, etc). i have no idea wht the arguement is here? this is pure fact.

Next gen anything can happen. After all Nintendo really rose from the grave this gen. The only thing I can say is MS has defined themselves and it will be another 3 way fight next gen. yep

PS4 could do really well, but so can Next-Box and Wii U. It;s anyones game. yep. if the appealing games are there and taste change drasticaly and the innovation is there in games then we will see alot of battles in a gen where the advantages are far and few in between.

with MS new studio purchase there first party IP should get a boost. and maybe next gen we'll see more of there ip that we haven't seen.

graphics will be off the chartz and unless many deals are done behind closed doors then multiplatform titles won't have any impact on how one console sells cause thats wht happened in the Americas with the 360.

graphics are one thing but its the innovation in games that i want to see. without that then all 8th gen consoles will be to me are CPU's without a monitor. 

now i've said alot of things this gen about when 8th gen consoles should be released. 2020, 2016, and 2014, but the reality is now 2013. theres just no way around it for Sony mainly.

MS releasing a yr ahead of Sony again is an action that Sony can't afford. i think googles operating system will be key to Sonys system next gen. well i may be stating the obvious, but hey it still needed to be said.

PSN will be unrecognisable next gen and will rival that of XBL cause this is one area thats highly contested. Vitas online features look way better then XBL and PSN, and the google operating system just screams i'm better then the rest.

let the os wars begin!



360 will fall in AMEAA as fast as PS3 falls in Americas. I'm just saying Japan is the difference between PS3/360 sales, and like the Wii, DS, and soon PSP, I think PS3 sales will start to crash real soon, before the PS4 comes out.

You keep saying the RPG's will keep PS3 a float after 2012, but what RPG's? There might be something small here and there, but I don't think we will see another mainstream Final Fantasy or Tales of title on the PS3 anymore. Versus is the last game that could boost PS3's sales, and I'm not sure what's going on with that game. Either way the RPG support will be a lot weaker in 2012 and onward. A lot weaker. thats were your wrong. this cross platform play thing between Vita and PS3 will seal the deal. considering the games that are apart of this will be available in 1 retail package for 1 price is marketing gold. i'm not really talking about games but they are there. to much is yet unknown about next yr but i expect alot on all fronts not just from Sony but MS to. Ninty is another matter.

This next bit is unrelated, and heavily based on opinion, so anyone other then Marcus, just skip to the next comment. I think Next gen, PS4 will be the superrior product. I think MS will go along and make the X-Box a trendy product. They are doing it with Kinect now, and advertizing silly things like facebook. I know Windows 8 will mimic what a Mac OS can do, in both looks and functionality, and the super thin Samsung laptops mimic physics appearance, and I think overall MS is trying to appear more trendy. you mean casual? yea trendy. MS is trying to do something that has been attemted and failed but they will succeed. they want everything on Xbox live but it will take a major backseat to the games. wonder for one second when your XB 364 plays every tv show, and sports event.

its more of a casual, trendy, media, family sort of thing when all we need is a gaming system with great online, so in effect MS is lossing focus while Sony is doing wht there doing while focusing more on games. its what PSN and XBL will be next gen and it will already be ready when you load up your system. i guess the idea is for you to only need a 360/kinect or XB736 with intergrated kinect features and a TV and only pay 1 price, and thats XBL.

the thing is the cost of all of this. whos going to pay a likely $100 for those features? welll the only thing it won't have is a phone line but i'm sure you'll be able to do that to through either your head set or with just a wave of your hand in front of you XB8B2 lol.

the only other thing is that if everything i just said is true then it will definately cost more then $100. if your not M5 fill free to read but don't quote to respond to this post. just skip to the next comment or make one. ye thats right keep a step'n. nobody needs to get hurt.

PS4 will be the most funtional system for gamers. PSN will offer what gamers want (Free online, and extras with PSN Plus). Trophies will be cross platform (PS3, PS4, PSV), and as a traditional gaming device, PS4 will be the best. yes other then Wiiu PS4 will be a gaming device with optional media functions while the XB367 will be a media hub first then a gaming system. depends on wht you want?

However I think Nintendo next gen will really make the best 1st party games. It's just a feeling, I think this gen they were focused on just doing what they can to keep sales strong. I think Nintendo themselves were surprised at how well the Wii did, and they just didn't know what type of software they could make. That's why every popular game has or will be bundled, and most of the great games aren't too different from prior games. However for Wii U, they realize they need more software, so I think Nintendo will really work on making a proper Zelda, an excellent Pikmin, a few new IP's and work on getting some sick third party exclusives (like RE4 for GCN), i don't know about the best but i see them doing what i've wanted them to do and thts focus on new IP that will push the hardware and thats what we're going to see form Nintendo. yea i shot Nintendo down at E3 and didn't win over anyone in the Nintendo camp but the potential is what i'm looking at, and if Nintendo pulls it off i'm there(a 15 new franchies/innovation restriction does apply/got to know i'm getting games and not hardware) 

yea i agree. i think Wii surprised nintendo but the reason wht it shouldn't have is because  of the virtual console! thats what i wanted. thats what everyone i know wanted and it delivered the games we remebered playing that made Nintendo back then. you know. before the N64/gamecube.

Back to MS, they will be popular in the US. The nextbox probably won't do anything any better then PS4, but just like iPods and iPhones are supper marked up products, I feel the next box will be an over-priced trendy piece of crap. Like this gen, they will have some great IP's for the hardcore, but I think the focus will be shifted to the casual. true but the main focus will be on wht it is now and thats multi-media. if you've noticed i speak of MS and multi-media and Sony with RPG's and thats what its going to be like. Sony will provide every genre on PS4 over media, and XB671 will focus on more media. once again do you want media, games, are both? Sony will provide both almost as good as MS. MS won't be up there in the games catagory, and Ninty will focus on games.

i wouldn't dispute this if i was a sane person. thats a warnging to anyone other then M5 reading that wants to quote this and disagree.

All speculation, but I'm excited about the PS4, and it trophies are cross platform, I might just stick with Sony's and get MS/Ninty consoles when they are cheap for the exclusives. hey thats my idea lol!





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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:

360 will fall in AMEAA as fast as PS3 falls in Americas. I'm just saying Japan is the difference between PS3/360 sales, and like the Wii, DS, and soon PSP, I think PS3 sales will start to crash real soon, before the PS4 comes out.

You keep saying the RPG's will keep PS3 a float after 2012, but what RPG's? There might be something small here and there, but I don't think we will see another mainstream Final Fantasy or Tales of title on the PS3 anymore. Versus is the last game that could boost PS3's sales, and I'm not sure what's going on with that game. Either way the RPG support will be a lot weaker in 2012 and onward. A lot weaker. thats were your wrong. this cross platform play thing between Vita and PS3 will seal the deal. considering the games that are apart of this will be available in 1 retail package for 1 price is marketing gold. i'm not really talking about games but they are there. to much is yet unknown about next yr but i expect alot on all fronts not just from Sony but MS to. Ninty is another matter.

This next bit is unrelated, and heavily based on opinion, so anyone other then Marcus, just skip to the next comment. I think Next gen, PS4 will be the superrior product. I think MS will go along and make the X-Box a trendy product. They are doing it with Kinect now, and advertizing silly things like facebook. I know Windows 8 will mimic what a Mac OS can do, in both looks and functionality, and the super thin Samsung laptops mimic physics appearance, and I think overall MS is trying to appear more trendy. you mean casual? yea trendy. MS is trying to do something that has been attemted and failed but they will succeed. they want everything on Xbox live but it will take a major backseat to the games. wonder for one second when your XB 364 plays every tv show, and sports event.

its more of a casual, trendy, media, family sort of thing when all we need is a gaming system with great online, so in effect MS is lossing focus while Sony is doing wht there doing while focusing more on games. its what PSN and XBL will be next gen and it will already be ready when you load up your system. i guess the idea is for you to only need a 360/kinect or XB736 with intergrated kinect features and a TV and only pay 1 price, and thats XBL.

the thing is the cost of all of this. whos going to pay a likely $100 for those features? welll the only thing it won't have is a phone line but i'm sure you'll be able to do that to through either your head set or with just a wave of your hand in front of you XB8B2 lol.

the only other thing is that if everything i just said is true then it will definately cost more then $100. if your not M5 fill free to read but don't quote to respond to this post. just skip to the next comment or make one. ye thats right keep a step'n. nobody needs to get hurt.

PS4 will be the most funtional system for gamers. PSN will offer what gamers want (Free online, and extras with PSN Plus). Trophies will be cross platform (PS3, PS4, PSV), and as a traditional gaming device, PS4 will be the best. yes other then Wiiu PS4 will be a gaming device with optional media functions while the XB367 will be a media hub first then a gaming system. depends on wht you want?

However I think Nintendo next gen will really make the best 1st party games. It's just a feeling, I think this gen they were focused on just doing what they can to keep sales strong. I think Nintendo themselves were surprised at how well the Wii did, and they just didn't know what type of software they could make. That's why every popular game has or will be bundled, and most of the great games aren't too different from prior games. However for Wii U, they realize they need more software, so I think Nintendo will really work on making a proper Zelda, an excellent Pikmin, a few new IP's and work on getting some sick third party exclusives (like RE4 for GCN), i don't know about the best but i see them doing what i've wanted them to do and thts focus on new IP that will push the hardware and thats what we're going to see form Nintendo. yea i shot Nintendo down at E3 and didn't win over anyone in the Nintendo camp but the potential is what i'm looking at, and if Nintendo pulls it off i'm there(a 15 new franchies/innovation restriction does apply/got to know i'm getting games and not hardware) 

yea i agree. i think Wii surprised nintendo but the reason wht it shouldn't have is because  of the virtual console! thats what i wanted. thats what everyone i know wanted and it delivered the games we remebered playing that made Nintendo back then. you know. before the N64/gamecube.

Back to MS, they will be popular in the US. The nextbox probably won't do anything any better then PS4, but just like iPods and iPhones are supper marked up products, I feel the next box will be an over-priced trendy piece of crap. Like this gen, they will have some great IP's for the hardcore, but I think the focus will be shifted to the casual. true but the main focus will be on wht it is now and thats multi-media. if you've noticed i speak of MS and multi-media and Sony with RPG's and thats what its going to be like. Sony will provide every genre on PS4 over media, and XB671 will focus on more media. once again do you want media, games, are both? Sony will provide both almost as good as MS. MS won't be up there in the games catagory, and Ninty will focus on games.

i wouldn't dispute this if i was a sane person. thats a warnging to anyone other then M5 reading that wants to quote this and disagree.

All speculation, but I'm excited about the PS4, and it trophies are cross platform, I might just stick with Sony's and get MS/Ninty consoles when they are cheap for the exclusives. hey thats my idea lol!



Okay I know a lot of PSV and PS3 games will be cross platform, but this does not mean that you will be able to pick up the PS3 version and play it on PSV (or does it?). This could help PS3 sales, but if the games are available on PSV, I doubt we will see any massive JRPG sales on the PS3 like a typicall Tales of or FF exclusive brings. We might see a few 100k+ debutes in Japan for PS3. but I don't think were going to see another 500k+ debut in Japan after FFXIII-2.

WW I think PS3 has strength until 2013, same with 360. Just Japan, I think it might die earlier then the rest of the world.

Long rant on XBL, but I agree with you. With TV coming in, it's only a matter of time before they start offering you Skype. Not sure if XBL price will go up to $100 anytime soon, but it will. PSN will also become more game focused, I agree 100% except on the Next-Box names.

For Nintendo, I don't think they will make that many new IP's, but I feel the level of quality of their games will jump. Super Mario platformers are already excellent, but I expect a more traditional Zelda (like OoT), a more photo realistic Pikmin, and well a great game from every one of their IP's (Metroid, Smash Bros, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, heck maybe even a proper Mario Kart).

I love Virtual Console. I have most of my old games, but now finally I have a legit version of Chrono Trigger. Been meaning to own a copy of this game for ages, but I'm not willing to spend $100+ for a SNES cartridge.

We basically agree for most of my speculation. However I think as a multi-media device, the PS4 will only do the basics. We won't see TV, or ESPN, or Facebook on PS4, but you will have a browser, Blu-Ray-DVD-CD player, and well everything a normal person would use. No gimics, no extra fancy stuff.

For MS games, I kind of disagree. MS will produce some great games, just I don't see them making too many games that appeal outside of Americas. MS will produce great shooters (Halo), racing games (Forza), Casual Games (Kinect Dance Games), and maybe some WRPG's. They will be the best, or among the best in these categories. However I don't see a good 1st party JRPG coming to the 360, nor a good platformer or Action Adventure game. Maybe a good fighting game with Killer Instinct, but I don't think that game will be any special.

Overall for games I think Sony and Nintendo will appeal to the broadest audience with good games for all genres. However Ninty will appeal more to the casual and nostalgic audience while MS will appeal the most to Americans.



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I find it worrisome how so many fall back into old habits. The era of price cuts tipping the balance is largely behind us as far as this generation is concerned. Lower price points have already been exploited to maximum effect. That is why the PS3 price cut wasn't dramatically effective, and that is why Microsoft isn't likely to bother following suit. It really isn't worth the lost profits for the miniscule bump.

We are in a new era, and it isn't so much about the price or the games for that matter. What is really going to matter in the run towards the finish is features and marketing. What is going to determine whether Microsoft can win is how well the new dashboard is received. You have to understand that streaming entertainment is exploding right now, and frankly it is the wave of the future. Before the end of the year in North America you might see as many as one hundred million streaming their entertainment during prime time.

The moral of the story is this. If Microsoft runs a massive campaign championing their dashboard with a dozen or so streaming providers. Plus being Kinect enabled which makes mortals feel like gods. You better believe the 360 will explode in sales. Microsoft insinuating itself as a premier streamer through their live service is like riding a very big wave. Really it is a question of grace if they pull it off flawlessly. Many of you could end this year scratching your heads trying to figure out just how Microsoft pulled two million units ahead of the PS3.

I would like to make a conservative prediction in saying that Microsoft will be finishing this year at least a million units ahead of Sony. Yes I said what you think I just said, and I am so terribly confident in my prediction. I am more then willing to entertain bets up to and including account deletion.



Dodece said:
I find it worrisome how so many fall back into old habits. The era of price cuts tipping the balance is largely behind us as far as this generation is concerned. Lower price points have already been exploited to maximum effect. That is why the PS3 price cut wasn't dramatically effective, and that is why Microsoft isn't likely to bother following suit. It really isn't worth the lost profits for the miniscule bump.

We are in a new era, and it isn't so much about the price or the games for that matter. What is really going to matter in the run towards the finish is features and marketing. What is going to determine whether Microsoft can win is how well the new dashboard is received. You have to understand that streaming entertainment is exploding right now, and frankly it is the wave of the future. Before the end of the year in North America you might see as many as one hundred million streaming their entertainment during prime time.

The moral of the story is this. If Microsoft runs a massive campaign championing their dashboard with a dozen or so streaming providers. Plus being Kinect enabled which makes mortals feel like gods. You better believe the 360 will explode in sales. Microsoft insinuating itself as a premier streamer through their live service is like riding a very big wave. Really it is a question of grace if they pull it off flawlessly. Many of you could end this year scratching your heads trying to figure out just how Microsoft pulled two million units ahead of the PS3.

I would like to make a conservative prediction in saying that Microsoft will be finishing this year at least a million units ahead of Sony. Yes I said what you think I just said, and I am so terribly confident in my prediction. I am more then willing to entertain bets up to and including account deletion.

Satan has a better chance of defeating God.



Dodece said:

I would like to make a conservative prediction in saying that Microsoft will be finishing this year at least a million units ahead of Sony. Yes I said what you think I just said, and I am so terribly confident in my prediction. I am more then willing to entertain bets up to and including account deletion.


I accept that bet.

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@Dodece
I don't think streaming is as highly applauded as you claim itto be. If MS wins, it will be due to their games or kinect.



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@jay520

Oh we have a brave soul. So lets have it what are your terms sir.



Dodece said:
@jay520

Oh we have a brave soul. So lets have it what are your terms sir.


Using VGC data from the 1st week of 2011 to the 1st week of 2012, the X360 has to outsell the Ps3 Worldwide by at least one-million units. The loser has to input "I lost a bet to [winner], he correctly predicted that the X360 would/wouldn't outsell the PS3 by over one-million units in 2011. [winner] is the greatest predictor of all time!" into his signature for the first six months of 2012.

Do you accept?

@jay520

Not very confident in our prediction, or did you not understand what I was offering. I have a counter proposal that you cannot possibly refuse. I win and nothing happens to you, because lets be honest I will be a fucking prophet on these forums. What more could I need. You win and my account is deleted, and I will even throw in a permaban. So I am basically offering up the kingdom.

I am going to be forthright with you. I was hoping to suck someone else in with this fools bet. I am not at liberty to say certain things. Suffice it to say something is going to happen in little over a month that is going to have a massive impact on console sales. So yes this difference is going to happen. I just didn't give the complete reason.

It just wouldn't be fair, and I got to be honest about that up front.



Dodece said:
@jay520

Not very confident in our prediction, or did you not understand what I was offering. I have a counter proposal that you cannot possibly refuse. I win and nothing happens to you, because lets be honest I will be a fucking prophet on these forums. What more could I need. You win and my account is deleted, and I will even throw in a permaban. So I am basically offering up the kingdom.

I am going to be forthright with you. I was hoping to suck someone else in with this fools bet. I am not at liberty to say certain things. Suffice it to say something is going to happen in little over a month that is going to have a massive impact on console sales. So yes this difference is going to happen. I just didn't give the complete reason.

It just wouldn't be fair, and I got to be honest about that up front.


I understood what you were offering, I just thought you were giving me full control when you asked for the terms. Uh, I accept your new proposal, I guess. Although, I don't see any incentive for you, but sure, I accept the bet.

You must know a very important secret, or you place little significance on your profile. Either way, this should be quite interesting.