i have just seen the news, and it reminded me this post, cause yesterday there were a fight between two groups, and 3 person were injured by knifes, what would have happened if they had had guns?

The idea and the subjet. I'm not saying owning a gun IS immoral or unethical, I'm saying that the reason for justifiying it should be your beliefs, not the law. Laws can be (and are) changed because ppl think a bout them, they question them. And that's the way it's suppose to work.

In many countries, ideas (and laws) about death penalty, firearms, divorce, abortion, women's right, racism and many other subjects, change. In one way or another. While would it be different in the US ?

Who is forcing its ideology here ? Is it forbidden to think an idea can be wrong ? That a law can be changed ?

 And please, don't get "revolutionnary" with me. I'm french. We also did revolution. We're not cutting head anymore. Past might be a great source of inspiration, it might have a great influence, but it's not suppose to completly define you, because you're country, like any other, isen't what it was 200 years ago, and so are ppl.

At some point, I agree with you that guns are just tools, but as I said, they are overpowered tools. When someone kill a guy with a semi-automatic weapon, this someone is guilty. When in the processe, the burst happens to kill 2 or 3 bystanders by "accident", it's also partly gun's fault, because with a knive, it would not happen. As I said, guns make things easier, they create violence opportunity.

On thing I would be interested in : How often a firearm is really and succesfully used in self defense situation ?

Cryo - in America, firearms are used in self defense succuessfully, ALOT.

Goto litterally any NRA website, and they usually have news tickers around the US, with stories every day of concealed carry firearm owners diffusing the situations (alot of criminals back off from attacking someone if they see a citizen have a firearm).

http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html

Feel free to read the survey about Defensive Gun Uses.

It's no less than 70,000 uses per year.

and I can't say for certain, but I'm willing to bet that doesn't even cover the incidents that are completely prevented from ever cropping up in the first place. If someone was planning on doing something stupid, but then thought better of it because he knew people were armed, there's no way to track those type of incidents.

And I totally agree on this, but even take it one step further, is that people should be required to attend these courses regularly, not just on safety, but on proper gun maintainence, and also accuracy and speed, and even judgement training. For all these people complaining about more guns = more violence, has anyone ever considered that it's purely a matter of when guns > amount being TAUGHT about guns = more violence. Of course JUST making guns available to all is going to see an increase in crime with guns, but general restrictions on buying and owning aren't the way to bring that back down.

I can name a far bigger cause of murder and violence than any gun or any weapon alone has ever caused, and it's called ignorance. You can't prevent violence by creating more ignorance, and that's all that restricting guns does, is create ignorance of those guns. You need to teach people, everyone, how to use them properly, that is the only way to make guns as safe as possible.

There will still be incidents where people get shot, by accident or temporary fits of rage, but provided we follow the sources of those incidents and not use gun possession as a scapegoat, we may eventually bring enough attention and negative press on the REAL issues that people will be compelled to seek counseling for these matters when they see themselves being driven to this point.

It's just incredibly ignorant and stupid to let anybody carry around guns. The only ones who should be allowed to carry and use guns in my opinion are cops and soldiers. Not common people. They can think they can handle guns, but there are tons of them that just can't.

 You were perfectly clear, don't worry about your english. You never said anything that could be understood as "I am better than you, americans" or something like that... I guess some people are a bit too sensitive or take any comment for a criticism

Cause everyone knows that cops and soldies aren't really people, they're actually grown by the government and are suplemented with computer logic chip to replace their frail human emotional reasoning.

Oh, come on, they're trained. Citizens are not.

Yet Grey Acumen and I have just been discussing training requirements for civilian gun ownership.

You really should try to come up with a better argument before you go calling people ignorant and stupid.