lol ok. count the prologue. Its just a demo of GT5. Its in the dictionary.....look up what the word prologue means lol. 

So ya its 3 vs 1. Just because PD got people to buy a $40 demo doesnt make it a standalone game. 

Review ratings in many contexts refer to a games overall quality. Dont be sensitive, deal. 

EDIT: Ya they really care about their fans....charging $40 for a tease and making them wait 5 years in general for the whole package......but the package wasnt even complete......takes them another year to give them what GT5 should have been. 

Sales clearly reflect the brand power gained from PS1 and PS2 days. Forza is clearly going from the ground up against that and is gaining ground with every release. Forza has surpassed GT5 on speed of release and quality.....shwing it is THEY who really care about the fans. The only thing left is GT fans to see that they aint living in the ps2 days anymore. 

i know but something is up cause it looks like Sony has nothing really huge coming (not that they need anything) out next yr. i mean i'm getting every exclusive released next yr, but there hiding something and everything else has been exhausted.  

OP and his friends accuse me of trolling and here they are at it themselves.

Its setting in now. Nobody likes being on top and suddenly are expected to step down to someone else. Its human nature to resist. 

Expect a lot of GT/Forza debates now that Forza 4 has officially overtaken the GT franchise. 

For a person with "sales" in there name entering a thread about sales of Gran Turismo and Forza you don't pay attention much. You have to pull the review card out because that's all you have.  Would Turn 10 rather have extra metacritic points?  or an extra 2 million sales?  you tell me, cause if Forza doesn't get bundled like it usually does, your going to be using that review card in every sales thread you try to stir the shit pot in with these franchises.

At least we have some 360 fans on this site that can support Forza and be hyped for it, without being an ass.

I have to laugh at the bickering about who cares about their fans more.

NO! Gran Turismo games are clearly meant to care more for their fans!

OH NO YOU DIDN'T, they tried charging $40 for a prologue game, and then don't even release a full game!!!

Not to mention, Forza games always get better review scores than GT, so they are CLEARLY superior games.

LOL, this thread makes me laugh.

i never figured you for the type to make that kind of arguement. its rather tasteless, and i know your better then that.

90+ ratings on metric shouldn't even be anaregument cause they mean nothing. its like one user posting his disapointment with R3, me posting the Addam Sessler soap box and him praising the game, and many other vgc users going back to the user who posted his disapointment with the game and telling him in a since he lost his mind.

trusting metric you'll be missing out on on gold.

Why not hit the GT fans where it hurts......the quality aspect lol. 3 Forzas over 90 vs GT5 with a 84. Immediately breaks their morale and amps up their sensitivity. 

Sales wise full forza games have surpassed full GT games on PS3 this gen. Not fair but then again thats the price you pay for taking so long to make your games. And dont give me the bundle argument.....because I remember GT3......the most notoriously bundled GT game out there. 

I can pull any card I please. Im merely playing the opposing opinion. GT fans just seem to not like to face things. 

whts with all the baseless assumptions?

i just got into GT5 and the quality is still there, and Forza is really a good game but you can't judge who cares more for there fans.

i could say the same thing about games that come out ever yr like madden and COD but that wouldn't be true. your basing intent on nothing. not 1 lick of evidence. GT5 didn't take forever to make to be a cash in! it took forever for the same thing your argueing against and thats quality and alot of cars.

quality will always be in the eye of the beholder making it opinion not fact. most of your arguement is opinion and assumption.

yea talk about tasteless baseless assumptions lol. its sad to see but funny to watch.