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Jumpin on 02 October 2011

All of this arguing about whether Noah's Ark was true or not is silly. Of course this didn't happen. How can people actually consider this a possibility in this day and age? It is ridiculous.

Noah's Ark claimed that there were 2 of every species of animal on board and that Noah was hundreds of years old.

1. It is biologically impossible for a human to reach that age. The oldest people with today's medical technology have not lived much past 110 years, let alone 700 in what was a bronze age civilization.
2. Many species of animals require vast ecosystems that cannot possibly exist on a boat. Not to mention, if the world was flooded, then all marine life would die as well, because the saline levels of water would be incorrect for almost all species of marine life in the world; despite what you may think, a freshwater fish can't live in the ocean.
3. There are about 2 to 3 million species of animal estimated, but some estimates go up to 50 million.
4. There is no evidence of any great flood 4,000 years ago, but we have Civilizations dating back to over 5,000 years, and Neolithic and Paleolithic societies dating back much further. We also have fairly detailed archaeological accounts which detail the migration of modern humans, out of Africa, and into the Western Continents, and this occurred tens of thousands of years ago.
5. Those fossils that are high up are the result of tectonic plate movement, not a whole lot of extra water that mysteriously appeared on Earth.

Please, it is people like you guys with sickeningly primitive beliefs that give ALL religious people a bad name. You focus WAY too much on having obviously mythological and fictional accounts as being "true" that you ignore the true purpose of religion.



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sapphi_snake on 03 October 2011
padib said:
Jumpin said:

All of this arguing about whether Noah's Ark was true or not is silly. Of course this didn't happen. How can people actually consider this a possibility in this day and age? It is ridiculous.

Noah's Ark claimed that there were 2 of every species of animal on board and that Noah was hundreds of years old.

1. It is biologically impossible for a human to reach that age. The oldest people with today's medical technology have not lived much past 110 years, let alone 700 in what was a bronze age civilization.
2. Many species of animals require vast ecosystems that cannot possibly exist on a boat. Not to mention, if the world was flooded, then all marine life would die as well, because the saline levels of water would be incorrect for almost all species of marine life in the world; despite what you may think, a freshwater fish can't live in the ocean.
3. There are about 2 to 3 million species of animal estimated, but some estimates go up to 50 million.
4. There is no evidence of any great flood 4,000 years ago, but we have Civilizations dating back to over 5,000 years, and Neolithic and Paleolithic societies dating back much further. We also have fairly detailed archaeological accounts which detail the migration of modern humans, out of Africa, and into the Western Continents, and this occurred tens of thousands of years ago.
5. Those fossils that are high up are the result of tectonic plate movement, not a whole lot of extra water that mysteriously appeared on Earth.

Please, it is people like you guys with sickeningly primitive beliefs that give ALL religious people a bad name. You focus WAY too much on having obviously mythological and fictional accounts as being "true" that you ignore the true purpose of religion.

Wow, thanks bud I feel tons better about myself all of a sudden.

Well, if you're so adamant about it, here's a challenge. Read the following article, and revise your list, then we'll see if I want to tag along:

http://creation.com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers

You're actually linking to THAT, and expect to impress him?



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Dr.Grass on 03 October 2011
Jumpin said:

All of this arguing about whether Noah's Ark was true or not is silly. Of course this didn't happen. How can people actually consider this a possibility in this day and age? It is ridiculous.

Noah's Ark claimed that there were 2 of every species of animal on board and that Noah was hundreds of years old.

1. It is biologically impossible for a human to reach that age. The oldest people with today's medical technology have not lived much past 110 years, let alone 700 in what was a bronze age civilization.
2. Many species of animals require vast ecosystems that cannot possibly exist on a boat. Not to mention, if the world was flooded, then all marine life would die as well, because the saline levels of water would be incorrect for almost all species of marine life in the world; despite what you may think, a freshwater fish can't live in the ocean.
3. There are about 2 to 3 million species of animal estimated, but some estimates go up to 50 million.
4. There is no evidence of any great flood 4,000 years ago, but we have Civilizations dating back to over 5,000 years, and Neolithic and Paleolithic societies dating back much further. We also have fairly detailed archaeological accounts which detail the migration of modern humans, out of Africa, and into the Western Continents, and this occurred tens of thousands of years ago.
5. Those fossils that are high up are the result of tectonic plate movement, not a whole lot of extra water that mysteriously appeared on Earth.

Please, it is people like you guys with sickeningly primitive beliefs that give ALL religious people a bad name. You focus WAY too much on having obviously mythological and fictional accounts as being "true" that you ignore the true purpose of religion.

1. That's not true. The number of times a cell reproduces is encoded in our genes. Just change that one piece of code and you can live much longer.



Dr.Grass on 03 October 2011
Jumpin said:
Dr.Grass said:
Jumpin said:

Well, like the City of Atlantis, the Garden of Eden is fictional; probably based on Mesopotamian Gardens, like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. You don't need any documentary or additional texts other than the Bible to see where the authors wanted it to be located. It is written to exist in the Middle East, probably at the location of southern Iraq given the text; which mentions 4 rivers including the rivers Tigris and Euphrates.


Atlantis is not necessarily fictional.


Atlantis is as fictional as Thomas Moore's Utopia. It was invented by Plato in the text Timaeus and Critias to contrast the ideals of his previous work "Republic". It wasn't really until the 1600's and Francist Bacon saying that Atlantis might have been North America, that people actually seriously considered that it might be real. Plato didn't consider it real, as he wasn't writing history.

You assume it is fictional because of your beliefs, not because of these so-called facts listed here.

A quick glance at wiki shows that these things are disputed/argued/etc. Not OBVIOUSLY fictional.

There was an island off the coast of India called Dwarka that sunk 5000 years ago according to Indian scripture. Recent archeological evidence has been rather interesting, indicating that it perhaps did really exist.

So who are you to say these things?

Modern man is really too arrogant about all of these things. He doesn't know enough to say for certain.



sapphi_snake on 03 October 2011
Dr.Grass said:

You assume it is fictional because of your beliefs, not because of these so-called facts listed here.

A quick glance at wiki shows that these things are disputed/argued/etc. Not OBVIOUSLY fictional.

There was an island off the coast of India called Dwarka that sunk 5000 years ago according to Indian scripture. Recent archeological evidence has been rather interesting, indicating that it perhaps did really exist.

So who are you to say these things?

Modern man is really too arrogant about all of these things. He doesn't know enough to say for certain.

Lots of 'obviously fictional' things are disputed by people (i.e. ghosts, flying pink unicorns, and deities). It's sad when people forget that their fictional products are fictional, but it happens.



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Dr.Grass on 03 October 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Dr.Grass said:

You assume it is fictional because of your beliefs, not because of these so-called facts listed here.

A quick glance at wiki shows that these things are disputed/argued/etc. Not OBVIOUSLY fictional.

There was an island off the coast of India called Dwarka that sunk 5000 years ago according to Indian scripture. Recent archeological evidence has been rather interesting, indicating that it perhaps did really exist.

So who are you to say these things?

Modern man is really too arrogant about all of these things. He doesn't know enough to say for certain.

Lots of 'obviously fictional' things are disputed by people (i.e. ghosts, flying pink unicorns, and deities). It's sad when people forget that their fictional products are fictional, but it happens.

*raises hand*

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(reason for this is astral travelling adventures)



lestatdark on 03 October 2011
Dr.Grass said:
Jumpin said:

All of this arguing about whether Noah's Ark was true or not is silly. Of course this didn't happen. How can people actually consider this a possibility in this day and age? It is ridiculous.

Noah's Ark claimed that there were 2 of every species of animal on board and that Noah was hundreds of years old.

1. It is biologically impossible for a human to reach that age. The oldest people with today's medical technology have not lived much past 110 years, let alone 700 in what was a bronze age civilization.
2. Many species of animals require vast ecosystems that cannot possibly exist on a boat. Not to mention, if the world was flooded, then all marine life would die as well, because the saline levels of water would be incorrect for almost all species of marine life in the world; despite what you may think, a freshwater fish can't live in the ocean.
3. There are about 2 to 3 million species of animal estimated, but some estimates go up to 50 million.
4. There is no evidence of any great flood 4,000 years ago, but we have Civilizations dating back to over 5,000 years, and Neolithic and Paleolithic societies dating back much further. We also have fairly detailed archaeological accounts which detail the migration of modern humans, out of Africa, and into the Western Continents, and this occurred tens of thousands of years ago.
5. Those fossils that are high up are the result of tectonic plate movement, not a whole lot of extra water that mysteriously appeared on Earth.

Please, it is people like you guys with sickeningly primitive beliefs that give ALL religious people a bad name. You focus WAY too much on having obviously mythological and fictional accounts as being "true" that you ignore the true purpose of religion.

1. That's not true. The number of times a cell reproduces is encoded in our genes. Just change that one piece of code and you can live much longer.

Oh dear....

Tell you what, you try and do that and see where that gets you xD. Oh and an heads-up, don't forget to set up the telomerases so that they won't cut the telomeres, or you'll still risk cellular death. Then you'll also have to cut out apoptosis signals, capsases and many other cell-death inducers. Don't also forget to implement a much more efficient DNA repair system, because ours is inefficient after 60 years of divisions, that's why you start having more probability of self-induced cancer and that's not accounting all the external factors that can lead to potential lethal mutation. 

There's no simple "way" to live longer, that must have been the most unscientifical, innacurate thing I've ever read from you.



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Dr.Grass on 03 October 2011
lestatdark said:
Dr.Grass said:
Jumpin said:

All of this arguing about whether Noah's Ark was true or not is silly. Of course this didn't happen. How can people actually consider this a possibility in this day and age? It is ridiculous.

Noah's Ark claimed that there were 2 of every species of animal on board and that Noah was hundreds of years old.

1. It is biologically impossible for a human to reach that age. The oldest people with today's medical technology have not lived much past 110 years, let alone 700 in what was a bronze age civilization.
2. Many species of animals require vast ecosystems that cannot possibly exist on a boat. Not to mention, if the world was flooded, then all marine life would die as well, because the saline levels of water would be incorrect for almost all species of marine life in the world; despite what you may think, a freshwater fish can't live in the ocean.
3. There are about 2 to 3 million species of animal estimated, but some estimates go up to 50 million.
4. There is no evidence of any great flood 4,000 years ago, but we have Civilizations dating back to over 5,000 years, and Neolithic and Paleolithic societies dating back much further. We also have fairly detailed archaeological accounts which detail the migration of modern humans, out of Africa, and into the Western Continents, and this occurred tens of thousands of years ago.
5. Those fossils that are high up are the result of tectonic plate movement, not a whole lot of extra water that mysteriously appeared on Earth.

Please, it is people like you guys with sickeningly primitive beliefs that give ALL religious people a bad name. You focus WAY too much on having obviously mythological and fictional accounts as being "true" that you ignore the true purpose of religion.

1. That's not true. The number of times a cell reproduces is encoded in our genes. Just change that one piece of code and you can live much longer.

Oh dear....

Tell you what, you try and do that and see where that gets you xD. Oh and an heads-up, don't forget to set up the telomerases so that they won't cut the telomeres, or you'll still risk cellular death. Then you'll also have to cut out apoptosis signals, capsases and many other cell-death inducers. Don't also forget to implement a much more efficient DNA repair system, because ours is inefficient after 60 years of divisions, that's why you start having more probability of self-induced cancer and that's not accounting all the external factors that can lead to potential lethal mutation. 

There's no simple "way" to live longer, that must have been the most unscientifical, innacurate thing I've ever read from you.


He said it isn't possible, I said it is. I said nothing about how probable it is.



lestatdark on 03 October 2011
Dr.Grass said:
lestatdark said:
Dr.Grass said:
Jumpin said:

All of this arguing about whether Noah's Ark was true or not is silly. Of course this didn't happen. How can people actually consider this a possibility in this day and age? It is ridiculous.

Noah's Ark claimed that there were 2 of every species of animal on board and that Noah was hundreds of years old.

1. It is biologically impossible for a human to reach that age. The oldest people with today's medical technology have not lived much past 110 years, let alone 700 in what was a bronze age civilization.
2. Many species of animals require vast ecosystems that cannot possibly exist on a boat. Not to mention, if the world was flooded, then all marine life would die as well, because the saline levels of water would be incorrect for almost all species of marine life in the world; despite what you may think, a freshwater fish can't live in the ocean.
3. There are about 2 to 3 million species of animal estimated, but some estimates go up to 50 million.
4. There is no evidence of any great flood 4,000 years ago, but we have Civilizations dating back to over 5,000 years, and Neolithic and Paleolithic societies dating back much further. We also have fairly detailed archaeological accounts which detail the migration of modern humans, out of Africa, and into the Western Continents, and this occurred tens of thousands of years ago.
5. Those fossils that are high up are the result of tectonic plate movement, not a whole lot of extra water that mysteriously appeared on Earth.

Please, it is people like you guys with sickeningly primitive beliefs that give ALL religious people a bad name. You focus WAY too much on having obviously mythological and fictional accounts as being "true" that you ignore the true purpose of religion.

1. That's not true. The number of times a cell reproduces is encoded in our genes. Just change that one piece of code and you can live much longer.

Oh dear....

Tell you what, you try and do that and see where that gets you xD. Oh and an heads-up, don't forget to set up the telomerases so that they won't cut the telomeres, or you'll still risk cellular death. Then you'll also have to cut out apoptosis signals, capsases and many other cell-death inducers. Don't also forget to implement a much more efficient DNA repair system, because ours is inefficient after 60 years of divisions, that's why you start having more probability of self-induced cancer and that's not accounting all the external factors that can lead to potential lethal mutation. 

There's no simple "way" to live longer, that must have been the most unscientifical, innacurate thing I've ever read from you.


He said it isn't possible, I said it is. I said nothing about how probable it is.

He has more of a point than you can possibily have. Even if we advance genetic therapy long enough and can somehow eliminate all mutagenical and envorimental issues out of the genetical equation, the best estimatives, before total cellular breakdown and loss of complete capacities of DNA repair in a human being is 150-200 years, at best. 

So 700 years is indeed impossible without any kind of external input, such as cryogenics, repairing nano-machines or other sci-fi related medicinal "advancements".



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amp316 on 03 October 2011

Whether you believe in the Bible or not, it clearly states in it exactly where the Garden of Eden was supposed to have been. Between the Tigris and Euphrates which is most definitely in Persia.



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