Hahaha :D nice. :) @convo: I'd love to. PM or on this thread? It's pretty dead right now as it is ;/) wanna talk Noah's flood? At least it's closest to the topic.

Just letting you know I'm going for a bite but I'll reply when I get back to my computer. (I'm officially addicted to vgchartz haha)

@Noah, I do think it literally happened. Reason is there are fossils all over the world that appear to have been buried very quickly, as if caught in a mudslide or vortex of water and mud. Some are caught eating other animals, giving birth, it's just a different image than what you normally expect from fossils.

Another thing is that if you take the rate of birth from roughly 4000 years ago to present, give or take certain local catastrophies, the human population on Earth seems reflective of the timeframe. Then, you have the idea that flood origins are core elements of local beliefs in areas around the world, with China's ancient tradition being one very close to that of the Hebrews, it gives you that sense that the world is not really as old as we think, and the beliefs that spread around the world may very well have originated at Noah, and spread not so long ago post-flood and post-babel.

Regarding China's ancient  beliefs, here might be a good resource. (I read part of a book on this, and an extensive linguistic study on ancient chinese that supports it). 

http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/comp/cw03bordersacrifice.htm

And there's much more I have a whole book on it :D

http://castore.creation.com/catalog/faith-fathers-p-1257.html

Here's a critique and rebuttal of the CMI study:

http://creation.com/cmi-misrepresents-ancient-chinese-language

Hahaha :D nice. :) @convo: I'd love to. PM or on this thread? It's pretty dead right now as it is ;/) wanna talk Noah's flood? At least it's closest to the topic.

Just letting you know I'm going for a bite but I'll reply when I get back to my computer. (I'm officially addicted to vgchartz haha)

@Noah, I do think it literally happened. Reason is there are fossils all over the world that appear to have been buried very quickly, as if caught in a mudslide or vortex of water and mud. Some are caught eating other animals, giving birth, it's just a different image than what you normally expect from fossils.

Another thing is that if you take the rate of birth from roughly 4000 years ago to present, give or take certain local catastrophies, the human population on Earth seems reflective of the timeframe. Then, you have the idea that flood origins are core elements of local beliefs in areas around the world, with China's ancient tradition being one very close to that of the Hebrews, it gives you that sense that the world is not really as old as we think, and the beliefs that spread around the world may very well have originated at Noah, and spread not so long ago post-flood and post-babel.

Regarding China's ancient  beliefs, here might be a good resource. (I read part of a book on this, and an extensive linguistic study on ancient chinese that supports it). 

http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/comp/cw03bordersacrifice.htm

And there's much more I have a whole book on it :D

http://castore.creation.com/catalog/faith-fathers-p-1257.html

Here's a critique and rebuttal of the CMI study:

http://creation.com/cmi-misrepresents-ancient-chinese-language

Now the fascinating thing about the biblical account is that if my makeover theory is correct, then the rivers described in genesis (Tigris, Euphrates, etc.) should not exist post-flood, yet they do. The only other possibility is that the mountain shapes and crevaces surrounding the rivers predated the flood, and were not affected by the flood. This is possible only if you consider that the rivers do not follow a fault line and hence are not part of the mountains that were shaped due to plate collisions during the flood.

Hahaha, I never saw that coming :D

I guess the other, but less respectable possibility is that the rivers existed pre-flood in one form, and reappeared post-flood in another form and location. I'm going biblically speacking here.

As for my first and more plausible exception clause, here is why fault lines matter (I say biblically speaking supported by this):

11In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

If we map that description to a natural phenomenon, it sounds like volcanic and tectonic activity, with water entraped below many areas of the earth's surface, causing bursting and steaming.

I think you just did yourself a disfavor by basing the credibility of evolution on countering a population growth to 7 billion in 4000 years. To tell you the truth evolution has much more going for it than that.

But to give a defense for my point of view on 7billion in 4000, well here is my logic.

To start, you need to remember that population growth is exponential.

What was the population of the US 400 years ago? In 400 years, the country's population grew from virtually nothing to 300,000,000.

China's population went from 500,000,000 to 1.4 billion in 60 years  (1950 to 2010). Do the math, or I'll do it for you. It's 900 Mil in 60 years. That's roughly a trippling in 60 years. Source http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/chinapopulation.htm

India's population went from 350,000,000 to 1.21 billion in 65 years (1947 to 2011). It's 840 Mil in 50 years. That's close to quadrupled in 65 years. Source: http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/indiapopulation.htm

What accounted for 850Mil of the population only 60-65 years ago, now accounts for 2.61 billion, in 60-65 years. That's 3-fold in 60-65 years. You 7 billion number just goes down to 5.4 billion. But if the phenomenon happened in two very distinct cultures of the world, I see no problem applying it to the population world-over. 7 divided by 3 = 2.33 billion worldwide in 1945. Puts things into perspective in my book. Is my guess right? Let's see.

Well, to start, Google says that, in 1960, the world population was 3 billion. That's 15 years short of my calculation. http://www.google.ca/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=world+population

Let's take another source shall we? Well, the world census bureau seems to think my guess was right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World-Population-1800-2100.png, and I promise this was not fabricated logic, it was just my hunch at the topic.

Well, according to the graph, the world population in the 1945 was between 2.3 billion and 2.5 billion. We were pretty close. Go back just another 150 years (what's 150 years over 4000 right), population of the world in the 1800s was 1 billion people. Care to revise your confident 50,000 years? "The real figure is around 50,000, give or take a few thousand."

If the population of the world grew by 7 times in 200 years, I'm curious how far we can take that trend. But as you said I'm a smart guy, and I won't ruin my at the moment very sexy logic with linear thinking. Given the graph above, the trend going backwards from 1800s is at a pretty low point, I'll use that one to trace back another 3800 years.

The graph seems to show that between 1800 and 1900 the population only went down from 1.65 billion to 950 Mil. That's almost a 2-fold increase, with the exact figure at 1.74x. I'll take that trend backwards 3800 years. Here we go, ready?

38 hundreds of years, with 1.74 decreases every hundred years. We get:

Century  Population

Atlantis is not necessarily fictional.

I am saying the garenda of eden was perhaps a real place, and that this is where it was. Whether you believe the bible or not, it is usually correct historically.