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I'm hella glad Uncharted wasn't fantasy. I can't imagine it any other way.



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padib said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
padib said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
padib said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

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You say "ALL SONY studios Sold out to XBOX styled games". Japan Studio is amongst the highest level of gaming development within Sony and gaming as a whole. Sony is backing The Last Guardian up, you can see the game in the Kevin Butler ads, and this game is nothing like any of the games that Microsoft and even Nintendo are backing up and trying to shove to their followers.

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@bolded. I agree that SCE Japan (especially Team Ico) is an excellent studio, but don't go as far as saying Nintendo and MS don't push high quality content you just sound incredibly biased. Yes, they create content that is out of this world, but so does Microsoft, so does Nintendo. Halo may be a shooter, but it has a very deep story attached to it.

You got it wrong. I am talking about the little box and Nintendo releasing something similar in gameplay to The Last Guardian.

Nintendo and Microsoft have both solid games. When it comes to Nintendo, I enjoyed Mario, the good ol' side scrolling Mario, but a game that can't attach me with its story doesn't have the least chance of earning my respect and full devotion. Mario doesn't even have a story so I just enjoy playing it while it lasts, then nothing.

Videogames to me must go beyond gameplay, be it understood as having that great gameplay and more, specially when it comes to stories.

Okay, the story criticism is fair against Nintendo, though there are exceptions. I'll just name Link to the Past, Metroid Prime (think Chozo lore), Super Metroid.

Now if you tell me Super Metroid doesn't have a good story, man it's all about the atmosphere. Shadow of the Colossus is very similar to Super Metroid in that respect. And SotC's story, though amazing, is very, very short. And Super Mario Bros, when it came out, had one of the best storylines of the day, though we laugh at it today.

But I can't accept it against Microsoft. Halo, though I'll be truthful I haven't played it extensively, I have seen clips and just know that it has a very deep storyline. And Fable again I've only played parts of it, but someone correct me if I'm wrong in saying this is a story-heavy game. Sadly I can't say Alan Wake, because it wasn't made by MS.

I see what you're saying, but again you're being biased.

 

 

I don't know the reason why you are putting so much effort in calling me biased. Am I biased? Sure I am. I thought that subjetcivity was easily enough to be discerned as having to put an "Opinion" sign in every comment I make. But are you trying imply my subjetcivity with some negative connotation? Being that the case, then, as much biased as I am, so are you by calling such games's stories from Zelda, Prime, Halo, Fable, as good since that is nothing but a simple opinion.

 

 

 

You need to remember, to every opinion its weight.

A quality opinion is one that considers multiple factors in its development. When one side is considered more than another for the sake of elevating it, then the opinion becomes biased. When one side is considered more than another due to lack of knowledge, it's lack of knowledge.

I don't want to name you anything anymore, so from now on I'll just keep it general, I just think you weren't taking everything into account when formulating your thought.

Peace

You say you don't want to name me anything more? That means you consider you can name me something more. If you cannot push forward and spill what you are thinking then please don't try to taunt me.

With your explanation bias, are you saying that that is my case? If that is so, tell me, in which part of what I have discussed about this topic of Xbox being an influence to all Sony studios my preference for Sony has clouded my judgement and has made me left out facts in favor of my preference?

There is bias eveywhere because of our subjectivity, but that doesn't mean I cannot separate facts from opinions. If you think that I have diluded these two in my comments, point out where I have done such thing.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

This thread is dumb, and you know it xxain.  :P

1.  Gran Turismo, Killzone, God of War, Wipeout, Ratchet, Siren, and Twisted Metal all stayed the same regardless of any push from Sony.  Only two studios showed any noticeable change in direction this generation:  Naughty Dog with Uncharted and Insomniac with Resistance. 

However, I don't think anybody would claim Naughty Dog's direction with Uncharted was a bad decision, and you have no right to complain about Insomniac's decision with Resistance, given how many times you've complained to me about Insomniac making more and more Ratchet and not trying anything new, using this as an excuse to not play their best game ever, A Crack in Time.

2.  You wouldn't have bought most of these games anyway.   How many times have you said western games suck?  If it's not from SCEJ, you're not interested.



There should be a rule to overturn bans (at brendude's ban), luckily the most controversial banner (zexen_lowe) doesn't visit as much anymore.



I always thought it was because of 'the power of the cell' Sony basically had to create something very realistic because of how they hyped up their Cell power;..



 

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Am I the only one who really wants to see how Uncharted with a fantasy setting would look like?



morenoingrato said:
Am I the only one who really wants to see how Uncharted with a fantasy setting would look like?


I'd love to as well.  Apparently their original designs involved dragons.  Anything involving dragons is awesome. 

I really would love to see them take a crack at a Tolkien-esque artstyle.  Though I fear they'd make it look somewhat like Jak, which would be similar to Warcraft.  I'd prefer either something more realistic like Dark Souls, or something totally off the wall like Borderlands.



Thank you Xbox for making Uncharted better than it would have been.

Western games > eastern games.



Jay520 said:
brendude13 said:
So they sold out for the simpletons...

Not that I have anything against realistic shooters, but if Naughty Dog had to change the game to be more realistic and violent just so it could sell more, then it makes gamers this generation look like shallow morons.

I'm not complaining though, it ended up an excellent game.



I don't think he's calling Xbox owners simpletons. He's calling the general public, or shooter fans, simpletons. That's not necessarilly an insult toward Xbox owners. The mass public is less educated than the hardcore & more likely to follow the 'what's hot' trend as opposed to thinking for themselves.

If fact, if you read a few lines down, then you can see that Not only is this directed at the general public (Not Xbox owners), it's also directed at Uncharted fans that bought it because it had shooting. Hell, he even says gamers of the GENERATION are shallow. One can look at sales this gen and see that this statement holds merit. Any popular game is going to have a large portion of the fanbase composed simpletons. I really don't see the problem in this post.

Definitely isn't directed at Xbox owners. Not worth a 3 day ban IMO. Pretty questionable ban Twesterm.

 

Too bad you have to explain it.  The probable knee jerk reactions of reports that cause the ban only reinforces what Brendude13 said.  Learn to think, read between the lines, and don't always think your console of choice isn't immune to the truth of unfavoritism.  That's life.



zarx said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

You say "ALL SONY studios Sold out to XBOX styled games". Japan Studio is amongst the highest level of gaming development within Sony and gaming as a whole. Sony is backing The Last Guardian up, you can see the game in the Kevin Butler ads, and this game is nothing like any of the games that Microsoft and even Nintendo are backing up and trying to shove to their followers.

Santa Monica is another Sony studio. You say "ALL SONY studios Sold out ot XBOX styled games" now tell me what did Santa Monica do to make a game in the vein of what is popular in the little box?

Did Sony cancel LBP because the little box did not have a successful platformer game and LBP could be too much of a risk? No, they backed that game up.

Yeah, and Halo was the first Sci-fi FPS shooter around, right? While Halo was a rainbow fest, Killzone was the gritty shooter that eventually led, after Killzone 2, to make the Halo Reach developers to look at Killzone to make the game with a more realistic experience. They said that themselves.

You say the "play.create.share." directive, where did Sony copied this from the little box? You say it with a negative connotation: "peared back" you say? As retreating from it? Those games released and had their promotion, what do you want from Sony, you want them to keep promoting the games even now. It is the natural way that promotion of a game goes, it releases and then the company focuses on the next thing. You don't know what Sony is or isn't doing right now about those titles, neither do I, but at least I know that Sony, in contrast to the little box, tell their first parties and second parties to do something.

Sony may had told Naughty Dog and Insomniac (don't know details about this one) to make shooters because of the success of Halo and Gears of What, but these little box games are neither the first third person shooters and first person shooters around. It was more of an influence of what the consumers wanted and make offerings in those already stablished gaming genres in the form of UC and Resistance. A direct influence of a game would be what Reach had with Killzone since Killzone doesn't sell even half of what Halo does. That was an artistic direction in which Halo was influenced instead of how Sony only saw what genres where selling the most and did something in those already stablished genres.

The fact is simple, two studios between several studios does not equal "ALL" in spite of any arguing you can do. Change the title of the thread because that is nothing but nonesense.

Now first off yes the thread title is an exageration but it is also not entiirely untrue.

I have alredy explained why Japan was most likely exempt.

Sony Santa Monica codeveloped Warhawk 

looks pretty ‘realistic’ games in terms of how it was modeled and rendered to me.

Little big planet was not in development under Sony when the directive was given out at the start of the generation, how is that hard for you to understand?

Killzone is Halo crossed hith medal of honor yes ince again copying a game that was sucessful on Xbox and one that was gritty and ‘realistic’ games in terms of how it was modeled and rendered.

that directive came much later and was spearhedded by ex MS guys, well ex lionhead to be exact, you could ague Sony was trying to steal the idea away from MS.

Yes it was influinced by what people wanted, that was being provided by MS more than Sony so Sony pushed to have more games of that type, simple as that. And all AAA SCE worldwide studios (excluding Japan as they are independantly run) from the start of the generation were instructed to make ‘realistic’ games in terms of how it was modeled and rendered games. And the fact is in the article from a quote from a Naughty Dog employee "not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony’s development companies at the time".

You mean Warhawk? The rework of the 1995 game and that was already in development in 2005?

I don't know what you are trying to do by excluding Studios. The problem here is that it was generalized that all of Sony's first party studios ended up doing gritty shooters which wasn't the case.

Even if Naughty Dog says that Sony pushed to make games more realistic and that was the case in that time, what happened? Why Insomniac and Naughty Dog were the only ones that turned from Jak and Ratchet to shooters? In the end all the other Studios did not followed the trend and released games that make Sony the most diverse first party developers or all gaming today. What do I want to say with this? What we have right now from Sony's first parties are games that weren't influenced by what was selling as hot cakes in the box.

Wait, are you saying that Killzone a PS2 game was influenced by the successful Xbox360 games? I ask because that is what we are talking about here. If you want to discuss the supposed influence of Halo in Killzone that is another discussion that has nothing to do with this, but even there, apart from being a Sci-fi FPS, there is nothing else there.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1