That bad huh? But can it play Crysis ?

Is it good for anything? I'm not after ultra high performance. After all I am primarily a console gamer so I can live with console graphics quality. I just want to be able to play games that aren't available on PS3. My current PC only has a 64MB graphics card, so you know how limited my choice in PC games has been. My kids wanna play TF2 I assume it'll be able to handle that. I've got a few games with 256MB graphics card minimum / recommended specs that Squilliam threw my way like Penumbra and SC: Double Agent.

Thanks for the feedback. I thought it might be more complex than just the raw 1GB number.

FYI the 6670 Xen mentioned upthread is between $130 and $160 NZD. So that's about $105-$120 USD.
Odd thing is that there are different brand names: MSI, Sapphire, Asus, Gigabyte, HIS. Why this stuff has to be so confusing?

binary solo said: That bad huh? But can it play Crysis ? Is it good for anything? I'm not after ultra high performance. After all I am primarily a console gamer so I can live with console graphics quality. I just want to be able to play games that aren't available on PS3. My current PC only has a 64MB graphics card, so you know how limited my choice in PC games has been. My kids wanna play TF2 I assume it'll be able to handle that. I've got a few games with 256MB graphics card minimum / recommended specs that Squilliam threw my way like Penumbra and SC: Double Agent. Thanks for the feedback. I thought it might be more complex than just the raw 1GB number. FYI the 6670 Xen mentioned upthread is between $130 and $160 NZD. So that's about $105-$120 USD. Odd thing is that there are different brand names: MSI, Sapphire, Asus, Gigabyte, HIS. Why this stuff has to be so confusing?

Get the ASUS one if you're interested. I actually bought it for a friend to take him up from his old geforce 8400gs, it's a very nice card, AC: Brotherhood and SC2 love it. It's also rather cold running, with 40c at idle and 57c with games. You want the GDDR5 one, of course.

But yeah, the 6450 will manage TF2. Source games are more CPU than GPU based, and even integrated Core i GPU's manage to handle it at 30FPS+.

binary solo said: That bad huh? But can it play Crysis ? Is it good for anything? I'm not after ultra high performance. After all I am primarily a console gamer so I can live with console graphics quality. I just want to be able to play games that aren't available on PS3. My current PC only has a 64MB graphics card, so you know how limited my choice in PC games has been. My kids wanna play TF2 I assume it'll be able to handle that. I've got a few games with 256MB graphics card minimum / recommended specs that Squilliam threw my way like Penumbra and SC: Double Agent. Thanks for the feedback. I thought it might be more complex than just the raw 1GB number. FYI the 6670 Xen mentioned upthread is between $130 and $160 NZD. So that's about $105-$120 USD. Odd thing is that there are different brand names: MSI, Sapphire, Asus, Gigabyte, HIS. Why this stuff has to be so confusing?

You'll run Source games just fine. Also, the brand doesn't matter, they should all be practically the same.

Zkuq said: binary solo said: That bad huh? But can it play Crysis ? Is it good for anything? I'm not after ultra high performance. After all I am primarily a console gamer so I can live with console graphics quality. I just want to be able to play games that aren't available on PS3. My current PC only has a 64MB graphics card, so you know how limited my choice in PC games has been. My kids wanna play TF2 I assume it'll be able to handle that. I've got a few games with 256MB graphics card minimum / recommended specs that Squilliam threw my way like Penumbra and SC: Double Agent. Thanks for the feedback. I thought it might be more complex than just the raw 1GB number. FYI the 6670 Xen mentioned upthread is between $130 and $160 NZD. So that's about $105-$120 USD. Odd thing is that there are different brand names: MSI, Sapphire, Asus, Gigabyte, HIS. Why this stuff has to be so confusing? You'll run Source games just fine. Also, the brand doesn't matter, they should all be practically the same.

They should, but sometimes aren't. You can notice different cooling and even different specs among them - the most prominent example I remember (laugh and die) is when I was buying a Radeon 4650 AGP for an old PC so it can do HD video and output HDMI, there were two prominent ones - a Gigabyte one, clocked by AMD specs and very well cooled, and a HIS one, with a terrible fan but with its memory being 1300mhz (or so) instead of the standard 800mhz.

Having seen most of the other ones while shopping for my friend, I can safely vouch for the Asus one.

>off the shelf

>desktop

>gaming

> le sigh

Just get an Xbox, m'kay?

If you're going to game on a PC, either learn how to build one yourself so that you don't end up paying $1000 for something that's no good for actual gaming, or (if daddy is kind enough to let you borrow his credit card) drop $3000 on an Alienware.

Xen said: Zkuq said: binary solo said: That bad huh? But can it play Crysis ? Is it good for anything? I'm not after ultra high performance. After all I am primarily a console gamer so I can live with console graphics quality. I just want to be able to play games that aren't available on PS3. My current PC only has a 64MB graphics card, so you know how limited my choice in PC games has been. My kids wanna play TF2 I assume it'll be able to handle that. I've got a few games with 256MB graphics card minimum / recommended specs that Squilliam threw my way like Penumbra and SC: Double Agent. Thanks for the feedback. I thought it might be more complex than just the raw 1GB number. FYI the 6670 Xen mentioned upthread is between $130 and $160 NZD. So that's about $105-$120 USD. Odd thing is that there are different brand names: MSI, Sapphire, Asus, Gigabyte, HIS. Why this stuff has to be so confusing? You'll run Source games just fine. Also, the brand doesn't matter, they should all be practically the same. They should, but sometimes aren't. You can notice different cooling and even different specs among them - the most prominent example I remember (laugh and die) is when I was buying a Radeon 4650 AGP for an old PC so it can do HD video and output HDMI, there were two prominent ones - a Gigabyte one, clocked by AMD specs and very well cooled, and a HIS one, with a terrible fan but with its memory being 1300mhz (or so) instead of the standard 800mhz. Having seen most of the other ones while shopping for my friend, I can safely vouch for the Asus one.

AFAIK those are more like exceptions. Wait, there's an AGP version of the HD 4650? Anyway, I suppose in your example those cards were both being marketed as regular non-overclocked versions?

Binary, how much do you care about BF3 on PC? That's my only question.

Zkuq said: Xen said: Zkuq said: binary solo said: That bad huh? But can it play Crysis ? Is it good for anything? I'm not after ultra high performance. After all I am primarily a console gamer so I can live with console graphics quality. I just want to be able to play games that aren't available on PS3. My current PC only has a 64MB graphics card, so you know how limited my choice in PC games has been. My kids wanna play TF2 I assume it'll be able to handle that. I've got a few games with 256MB graphics card minimum / recommended specs that Squilliam threw my way like Penumbra and SC: Double Agent. Thanks for the feedback. I thought it might be more complex than just the raw 1GB number. FYI the 6670 Xen mentioned upthread is between $130 and $160 NZD. So that's about $105-$120 USD. Odd thing is that there are different brand names: MSI, Sapphire, Asus, Gigabyte, HIS. Why this stuff has to be so confusing? You'll run Source games just fine. Also, the brand doesn't matter, they should all be practically the same. They should, but sometimes aren't. You can notice different cooling and even different specs among them - the most prominent example I remember (laugh and die) is when I was buying a Radeon 4650 AGP for an old PC so it can do HD video and output HDMI, there were two prominent ones - a Gigabyte one, clocked by AMD specs and very well cooled, and a HIS one, with a terrible fan but with its memory being 1300mhz (or so) instead of the standard 800mhz. Having seen most of the other ones while shopping for my friend, I can safely vouch for the Asus one. AFAIK those are more like exceptions. Wait, there's an AGP version of the HD 4650? Anyway, I suppose in your example those cards were both being marketed as regular non-overclocked versions?

Yep. And 1080p is easily done on a Prescott P4 thanks to it.

I forget how they were marketed though... I'm here to point out that differences exist however, and since cheking is not prob, eveyone should.

My only question (because everything else has already been covered) is what kind of CPU is that? Nowadays, I highly doubt it's a single-core, but what actually is it? Computer's not worth the buy, IMO, if it's anything less than tri-core.

I think it's Core i3 with hyper-threading, so dual core with 4 threads.