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TheLivingShadow said:

Here's what I think...IF the kid has indeed been living in the forest for 5 years with his father, I believe the teenager is responsible for his father's death, i.e. he killed him.

Like a poster above said, there are incongruencies in his story. Despite what he says, I think he does remember some of his prior life. After 5 years he must have had enough with his lifestyle and his crazy father (to go live isolated from society in the woods is crazy by definition...though it doesn't really matter by then because crazy is relative to society). He must have wanted to go back to the modern world and experience all that he had been separated from.

His father obviously disagreed. They must have gotten into a fight, but the boy wasn't so small anymore. He ended up killing his father, I want to say in an almost "accidental" way during the fight. After realizing what he had done, he must have panicked for a few hours. Then, once calm, he grabbed his father's compass and threw him off a hill so it would appear he "fell in the woods". Then he journed back to society.

Anyway, that's what I think.

Yes, this can also be a possibility. In that case I'd consider it self defence, and let him off.



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Oi wpmder if he got really into the foredst with his dad or if he dragged him thwers to kill him an srtuff.



sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Immortal said:
sapphi_snake said:

If he's father weren't dead he should be locked up in jail for abusing his son in that way.


Abuse? Is there really something wrong with living in the wilderness? Moreover, is there anything illegal about it? Your suggestion is rather intriguing so could you please elaborate?

I have a bad feeling I accidentally skimmed over an important part of the OP because this just seems odd to me, not really wrong.

It's illegal to take a child out of school 'till he graduates the 9th or 10th grade. And forcing your child to abandon school, his friends, isolating him from society and forcing him to live in the woods with no roof over his head, no food, clothes sanitary units etc. is considered child abuse. Not to mention that he most likely exposed the child to criminal activites, by stealing from campers and cabins. I'm quite sure that any social worker would find this an unfit environment for a child to grow up in,and would take the child into custody.

The father was obviously unfit to be a parent, and most likely suffered from some mental disease.

Holy crap there are a lot of assumptions in this post.

I mean, you know that in the wildreness people can find food, make clothes, and live sanitary lives right? 

Also... they lived in a tent.  It's in the article.

He was taken out of school. He was isolated from society. He was isolated from medical care. They didn't have a stable food supply. How would you say a social worker would evaluate this situation? Do you think it's an approrpiate environment to raise a child?

And your the problem with your aborigine example is that those people actually have a culture and society structure that is simply different from our own. They're allowed to live that way, because it's not right or appropriate to force our culture on them. This however is just a crazy guy who dragged his 12-year-old son to a forest and made him live there for 5 years. And according to our society's standards, what he did is called child abuse, and if he weren't dead, he shouls be rotting in jail about now.

You do realize that by trying to take this kid's child away you are in fact trying to force your culture on to him.  A culture he rejected by moving away from it. 

Would you say that if a man from Australia decides he likes aborigine culture better and leaves Sydney to live like the aborigines with his son he was abusing him?

He rejected modern culture and moved to the wilderness with his son to start a new culture, at an age where parents can legally make choices for their children.

Either you respect other cultures or you don't.  The minute you try and pick and choose you AREN'T picking to tolerate other cultures and instead only tolerating cultures that aren't too far off your own.

And I mean really, I can think of many places with much worse cultural choices then that based on survivalism, like the many cultures where women have zero power, or where racism and anti-semtism exist and outright executions of people who slightly fall out of the norm.



sapphi_snake said:
blkfish92 said:
Wow this is an extremely interesting occurrence!

Why? Do you know someone that went through the same thing?


Ya know, you're quick to jump on people for the silliest things. Sometimes the stuff you post are so out of whack I dunno whether to reply to them or avoid you altogether. Like the other day, you called me a rapist out of the blue, and months before that you called me intolerant against homosexuals. And I think you were banned not so long ago for calling someone a troll or something? Just chillax man. Stop being so aggresively awkward all the time.

Anywho, this story is quite interesting. If anything, the kid probably has some awesome survival instincts ... along with a very troubled mind that went through so much mental, emotional abuse over the year.



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sapphi_snake said:
Immortal said:
sapphi_snake said:

If he's father weren't dead he should be locked up in jail for abusing his son in that way.


Abuse? Is there really something wrong with living in the wilderness? Moreover, is there anything illegal about it? Your suggestion is rather intriguing so could you please elaborate?

I have a bad feeling I accidentally skimmed over an important part of the OP because this just seems odd to me, not really wrong.

It's illegal to take a child out of school 'till he graduates the 9th or 10th grade. And forcing your child to abandon school, his friends, isolating him from society and forcing him to live in the woods with no roof over his head, no food, clothes sanitary units etc. is considered child abuse. Not to mention that he most likely exposed the child to criminal activites, by stealing from campers and cabins. I'm quite sure that any social worker would find this an unfit environment for a child to grow up in,and would take the child into custody.

The father was obviously unfit to be a parent, and most likely suffered from some mental disease.

This!

@OP: Pretty crazy story.

...So the kid can't remember anything? That seems kinda strange :/  If he was 12 when he was "taken" he should remember where he lived at least



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miz1q2w3e said:
sapphi_snake said:
Immortal said:
sapphi_snake said:

If he's father weren't dead he should be locked up in jail for abusing his son in that way.


Abuse? Is there really something wrong with living in the wilderness? Moreover, is there anything illegal about it? Your suggestion is rather intriguing so could you please elaborate?

I have a bad feeling I accidentally skimmed over an important part of the OP because this just seems odd to me, not really wrong.

It's illegal to take a child out of school 'till he graduates the 9th or 10th grade. And forcing your child to abandon school, his friends, isolating him from society and forcing him to live in the woods with no roof over his head, no food, clothes sanitary units etc. is considered child abuse. Not to mention that he most likely exposed the child to criminal activites, by stealing from campers and cabins. I'm quite sure that any social worker would find this an unfit environment for a child to grow up in,and would take the child into custody.

The father was obviously unfit to be a parent, and most likely suffered from some mental disease.

This!

@OP: Pretty crazy story.

...So the kid can't remember anything? That seems kinda strange :/  If he was 12 when he was "taken" he should remember where he lived at least

Maybe the bad memories are being suppressed?



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Did no one else get the feeling that this story is eerily similar to the movie 'Hanna'?



hatmoza said:
miz1q2w3e said:

This!

@OP: Pretty crazy story.

...So the kid can't remember anything? That seems kinda strange :/  If he was 12 when he was "taken" he should remember where he lived at least

Maybe the bad memories are being suppressed?

But if they were memories from before the abduction

Would that make them "good" memories?



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Crystalchild said:

@living in the woods: it isnt illegal, but as a teenager, you HAVE to visit a school until you've succesfully absolved at least the 9th grade (not doing so is illegal as far as i know).. and the dad took him away from his friends, and actually destroying the boy's life as it was, is quite an evil act... and i dont think the boy was able to choose..


How do you know the boy had any previous life, previous friends, previous anything? They may have been regularly on the move prior to this, or maybe the boy was extremely introverted and kept to himself. Or maybe they lived in farm country and he would have had to travel a mile down the road just to get to the next neighbors, who just so happened to be childless.

And you don't HAVE to attend a proper school, if you can be legally homeschooled. Granted, this boy probably wasn't LEGALLY homeschooled, but that doesn't mean his father didn't still educate him.

You people are jumping to so many conclusions here.

 

I like to think that the boy's father was a former CIA agent who had retired after completing a huge mission and bringing in a major crimelord. However, said crimelord escaped from prison a year later and swore revenge against the agent, so the CIA had him and his family moved to Germany under witness protection. They lived there for a couple years before they were finally hunted down again, and the mother was murdered, though her murder was staged to look like a traffic accident. The accident was supposed to kill all three of them, but the father and son managed to escape with only minor injuries as their car and the mother burned until it was impossible to recognize anything among the wreckage. The father had no choice but to flee into the wilderness with their son, to disappear entirely.



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