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bmmb1 on 15 September 2011
Joelcool7 said:
 

Source?

I have not heard one confirmation that Nintendo paid a single cent for any of Capcom's games. Infact earlier this year Capcom stated it would be scaling back its 3DS support. Now your right Nintendo could be paying Capcom for MH4, but what evidence is their supporting this claim?

The reason I believe it was announced is because Capcom has always supported Nintendo. Even during GameCube Capcom released multiple titles including exclusives for the GCN. I think when they saw how well DS did they expected 3DS to sell shit loads and they began development on several projects. Look at how many titles were announced for 3DS prior to release from Capcom.

Capcom was hugely supportive of 3DS, their title StreetFighter4 was also the highest grossing third party game on 3DS. But if MH3G fails to generate adequate sales then I can't see MH4 coming to 3DS. Unless you are right and Nintendo pays out the ying yang for it.

If Nintendo is paying Capcom for exclusivity then yes it will come. But there is currently no evidence to support that, usually Nintendo announces these kinds of deals. We all knew about RE4's exclusivity deal long before it launched, If money was changing hands and Nintendo was paying Capcom Its sort of expected that this deal would come out.

I've looked high and low for any articles suggesting Nintendo bought MH4 exclusivity or even having it on 3DS at all. I found nothing to suggest any sort of deal was made for any of Capcom's titles for 3DS.

Capcom has always supported Nintendo and Sony, I don't see why Capcom would stick with 3DS if MHTG fails to sell. It wouldn't make business sense especially with Capcom's investors being so deeply against 3DS. Unless Nintendo is paying major dough for its release I think there remains a very good chance it will either get cancelled or ported to a different platform.

Of course if 3DS sales pick up and MHTG sells fairly well then this game will definatly come. But I wouldn't assume that its coming until you see the outcome of MHTG.

Not critical, but since I don't recall it, can you please provide a source for this - "earlier this year Capcom stated it would be scaling back its 3DS support" ? Only thing I vaguely recall is that at some point BEFORE 3Ds even came out Capcom said they will have less Nintendo titles for the fiscal year (not 3DS specifically but Nintendo) but with more focus on quality.

You say that you think if TriG doesn't sell enough as far as Capcom wants then MH4 will probably be cancelled, and you use PS3 as an example. But Capcom's stated reason for moving Tri from PS3 was HD development costs, not PS3 sales. This (beyond possible incentives from Nintendo) may be the reasoning behind MH4 on the 3DS as well, since it is the only new console that still does not necessitate HD level development... So, while I don't rule out multi platform, I don't see MH4 leaving the 3DS regardless of TriG sales. As Said earlier, TriG is probably simply a way to get additional MH fans on the 3DS (beyond of course being a way to get yet more money while using the same assets...)



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Joelcool7 on 15 September 2011
RolStoppable said:
Joelcool7 said:

Source?

I have not heard one confirmation that Nintendo paid a single cent for any of Capcom's games. Infact earlier this year Capcom stated it would be scaling back its 3DS support. Now your right Nintendo could be paying Capcom for MH4, but what evidence is their supporting this claim?

The reason I believe it was announced is because Capcom has always supported Nintendo. Even during GameCube Capcom released multiple titles including exclusives for the GCN. I think when they saw how well DS did they expected 3DS to sell shit loads and they began development on several projects. Look at how many titles were announced for 3DS prior to release from Capcom.

Capcom was hugely supportive of 3DS, their title StreetFighter4 was also the highest grossing third party game on 3DS. But if MH3G fails to generate adequate sales then I can't see MH4 coming to 3DS. Unless you are right and Nintendo pays out the ying yang for it.

If Nintendo is paying Capcom for exclusivity then yes it will come. But there is currently no evidence to support that, usually Nintendo announces these kinds of deals. We all knew about RE4's exclusivity deal long before it launched, If money was changing hands and Nintendo was paying Capcom Its sort of expected that this deal would come out.

I've looked high and low for any articles suggesting Nintendo bought MH4 exclusivity or even having it on 3DS at all. I found nothing to suggest any sort of deal was made for any of Capcom's titles for 3DS.

Capcom has always supported Nintendo and Sony, I don't see why Capcom would stick with 3DS if MHTG fails to sell. It wouldn't make business sense especially with Capcom's investors being so deeply against 3DS. Unless Nintendo is paying major dough for its release I think there remains a very good chance it will either get cancelled or ported to a different platform.

Of course if 3DS sales pick up and MHTG sells fairly well then this game will definatly come. But I wouldn't assume that its coming until you see the outcome of MHTG.

The source is common sense.

Nintendo already gave large incentives to Capcom for putting MH Tri on the Wii. Helping them to make the series more popular in the West by marketing and publishing it. This is why Tri isn't getting ported to a non-Nintendo platform. It's obvious that Nintendo is still greatly interested in MH and based on the background of Tri, what is there to suggest that Nintendo didn't pay Capcom in one form or another for MH4?

Also, the Monster Hunter franchise on the whole was completely absent from Sony's recently released list of Vita games that are in development, even though previously it was pretty much expected that it would get at least an upgraded version of MH Portable 3rd as fast as possible.


How is it common sense? Nintendo rarely ever pays for exclusive content or games.

What is common sense is that Capcom and Nintendo have worked very closely in the past. Nintendo even liscensed Zelda to Capcom which shows that the two companies have a very good relationship. MH3 sold very well on Wii and the 3DS port was not a suprise at all. Infact given the fact that Capcom has released and announced so many titles for 3DS they have alot of faith in Nintendo. Do you honestly believe Nintendo has been paying Capcom for all these exclusives?

Its not common sense for Nintendo to pay for alot of content. If they were doing so then they would announce it like they did with RE4 back in the day. Now is Nintendo giving Capcom incentives to launch the game on 3DS? Yes I'm sure that they are, publishing the games in North America is a very big deal. It is helping the brand grow alot bigger in North America and Europe then Capcom was capable of themselves. Nintendo probably also involved Capcom in the development of the new peripheral, but do note that 6 games were announced for that peripheral so it wasn't a favor from Nintendo to Capcom it was a smart decision made to appease developers.

There is no reason to believe that Capcom has been paid in any way. Remember Viewtiful Joe and other GameCube exclusives released by Capcom, those games weren't released exclusive for GCN because Nintendo paid large sums of money. Capcom has always been a genuine supporter of Nintendo. I think there support of 3DS has been showing loyalty to Nintendo.

Also I don't consider MH3G to be a test. I honestly think Capcom expects it to sell very very well. I think however if it fails to sell as well as they planned and their investors continue to try and stop MH4. Then despite Capcom's relationship with Nintendo they will make a business decision based on their best interests. Of course Nintendo may then step in and invest money in MH4 and keep Capcom from cancelling it.

However there is an undeniable fact that Capcom could cancel MH4 if they wanted too. Games way further along the development cycle have been cancelled. Heck even Assasins Creed which according to UbiSoft staff at PAX was nearing completion got cancelled. That from UbiSoft Nintendo's biggest western third party supporter.

If Assasins Creed can get cancelled last minute then MH4 can no problem. Though I must agree I think Nintendo will go to extreme lengths to ensure MH4 comes to 3DS. But that doesn't mean it will!



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NiKKoM on 15 September 2011
megaman79 said:
"I don't know, you will have to ask Capcom".
http://mynintendonews.com/2011/09/15/nintendo-3ds-sony-quizzed-about-why-monster-hunter-is-on-nintendo-3ds-and-not-playstation-vita/

I guess that's a confirmed exclusive then.

Sony is jelly



 

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Christian973 on 15 September 2011
megaman79 said:
"I don't know, you will have to ask Capcom".
http://mynintendonews.com/2011/09/15/nintendo-3ds-sony-quizzed-about-why-monster-hunter-is-on-nintendo-3ds-and-not-playstation-vita/

I guess that's a confirmed exclusive then.


I lol'd hard.



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oni-link on 15 September 2011
Christian973 said:
megaman79 said:
"I don't know, you will have to ask Capcom".
http://mynintendonews.com/2011/09/15/nintendo-3ds-sony-quizzed-about-why-monster-hunter-is-on-nintendo-3ds-and-not-playstation-vita/

I guess that's a confirmed exclusive then.


I lol'd hard.


I would have loved to see the Sony excutive's face when that was brought up...lol!!!



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miz1q2w3e on 15 September 2011
NiKKoM said:
megaman79 said:
"I don't know, you will have to ask Capcom".
http://mynintendonews.com/2011/09/15/nintendo-3ds-sony-quizzed-about-why-monster-hunter-is-on-nintendo-3ds-and-not-playstation-vita/

I guess that's a confirmed exclusive then.

Sony is jelly



MrT-Tar on 15 September 2011
morenoingrato said:

Some questions:
1. Will it really include ALL the monsters from P3rd? 
2. Will it include the new Area found in P3rd?
3. Will it have online multiplayer?

If all these are "yes", I'm so buying this game if it comes over.

Edit: Oops, I meant TriG, wrong thread, sorry :/

1.  Not confirmed yet, it's possible but I wouldn't say it is likely.  What is confirmed so far are the  monsters from MH3, along with 2 from P3rd (Furogi and Urukususu), 3 from previous MH generations (Azure Rathalos, Pink Rathian and the Plesioth) and finally a new monster (Burakidiosu).  However, I would expect more to be announced before release.

 

2. Yes

 

3. Not confirmed, but I would expect it to (especially if it gets a Western release)




bmmb1 on 15 September 2011

All the above said, is anyone doubting there will be a MHP4rth for the Vita (or maybe the PSP)? I am certain there will be. Which raises the question why are some people angry about MH4 being on the 3DS?



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NiKKoM on 15 September 2011
bmmb1 said:

All the above said, is anyone doubting there will be a MHP4rth for the Vita (or maybe the PSP)? I am certain there will be. Which raises the question why are some people angry about MH4 being on the 3DS?

It slightly increase the chance of the 3DS not being d00med... we already ordered the stuff for the 3DS d00med party... you know how expensive that stuff is.. that's why people are angry...



 

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Joelcool7 on 15 September 2011
bmmb1 said:
Joelcool7 said:
 

Source?

I have not heard one confirmation that Nintendo paid a single cent for any of Capcom's games. Infact earlier this year Capcom stated it would be scaling back its 3DS support. Now your right Nintendo could be paying Capcom for MH4, but what evidence is their supporting this claim?

The reason I believe it was announced is because Capcom has always supported Nintendo. Even during GameCube Capcom released multiple titles including exclusives for the GCN. I think when they saw how well DS did they expected 3DS to sell shit loads and they began development on several projects. Look at how many titles were announced for 3DS prior to release from Capcom.

Capcom was hugely supportive of 3DS, their title StreetFighter4 was also the highest grossing third party game on 3DS. But if MH3G fails to generate adequate sales then I can't see MH4 coming to 3DS. Unless you are right and Nintendo pays out the ying yang for it.

If Nintendo is paying Capcom for exclusivity then yes it will come. But there is currently no evidence to support that, usually Nintendo announces these kinds of deals. We all knew about RE4's exclusivity deal long before it launched, If money was changing hands and Nintendo was paying Capcom Its sort of expected that this deal would come out.

I've looked high and low for any articles suggesting Nintendo bought MH4 exclusivity or even having it on 3DS at all. I found nothing to suggest any sort of deal was made for any of Capcom's titles for 3DS.

Capcom has always supported Nintendo and Sony, I don't see why Capcom would stick with 3DS if MHTG fails to sell. It wouldn't make business sense especially with Capcom's investors being so deeply against 3DS. Unless Nintendo is paying major dough for its release I think there remains a very good chance it will either get cancelled or ported to a different platform.

Of course if 3DS sales pick up and MHTG sells fairly well then this game will definatly come. But I wouldn't assume that its coming until you see the outcome of MHTG.

Not critical, but since I don't recall it, can you please provide a source for this - "earlier this year Capcom stated it would be scaling back its 3DS support" ? Only thing I vaguely recall is that at some point BEFORE 3Ds even came out Capcom said they will have less Nintendo titles for the fiscal year (not 3DS specifically but Nintendo) but with more focus on quality.

You say that you think if TriG doesn't sell enough as far as Capcom wants then MH4 will probably be cancelled, and you use PS3 as an example. But Capcom's stated reason for moving Tri from PS3 was HD development costs, not PS3 sales. This (beyond possible incentives from Nintendo) may be the reasoning behind MH4 on the 3DS as well, since it is the only new console that still does not necessitate HD level development... So, while I don't rule out multi platform, I don't see MH4 leaving the 3DS regardless of TriG sales. As Said earlier, TriG is probably simply a way to get additional MH fans on the 3DS (beyond of course being a way to get yet more money while using the same assets...)

Sure, I was reading the news from multiple sources earlier today. The announcement was that Capcom would be scaling back Wii/3DS development and focusing on 360/PS3. This was announced during their plans for this fiscal year so it is likely the story your thinking of. However Capcom specifically mentions 3DS as seeing support downsized! (Sources= Planet3DS, FrontTowardGamer, MyNintendoNews) But your wrong all the articles specifically mention 3DS and Capcom downgrading support of that platform.

I can't disagree that Tri was moved from PS3 do to dev costs.  However keep in mind prior to Tri Monster Hunter was still not as big on home consoles. The second Monster Hunter which launched on PS2 only sold 630,000 copies which while successful is not going to make enough profit to offset the high cost of developing on PS3 nearby launch. However this time round look at PSP's sales of Monster Hunter titles, the PSP titles sold up to 5-million units which is far greater then Tri did on Wii. Infact if Capcom thinks they could sell 5-million units on Vita or another platform rather then launching on 3DS then HD costs aren't going to matter.

Look at the sales of the PSP Monster Hunter titles, the argued fact that Nintendo improved North American sales is proven false with a quick look at the VGChartz sales figures. If MH3G fails to perform on 3DS and doesn't meet good sales then MH4 will definatly be in jeoprody.A pay off by Nintendo would definatly help keep MH4 on 3DS but even Nintendo couldn't give Capcom enough money to make up for around 4 million more sales if MH4 was to be launched on another platform.

I also agree that MH3G is probably a ploy to get MH fans to buy 3DS, but that doesn't mean if it fails to sell many copies that Capcom will not see it as a red flag. I think if MH3G fails to sell then I doubt MH4 will come to 3DS exclusively if at all!

Infact Nintendo has way more to gain from MH3G and MH4 being exclusive then Capcom does. So much more to gain that I don't see how it will benefit Capcom. Nintendo couldn't possibly give them enough money to make launching exclusively on 3DS worth Capcom's while unless MH3G actually sells well.

I mean if MH4 comes exclusively to 3DS then Nintendo could expect up to 5-million in sales if it performed like the PSP versions did. If thats the case then it could be the biggest thing coming to 3DS to date (From a third party). It could shift millions of 3DS hardware, but again how would Capcom benefit?

Rol likes to just write me off but I'm not being irrational!



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