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Mr Khan on 13 September 2011
RolStoppable said:
Khuutra said:
RolStoppable said:
I guess this show was okay. Nothing that got me really excited, but also no real letdowns.

NOt excited for Fire Emblem?

Away from me; I have never known you.

It's hard to get excited for a series that has been degraded to "Western release: unknown". If I had confirmation that Fire Emblem 3 for DS is coming, then I would be super excited for this actually new entry here.

FE3 got screwed by 3DS timing, because it wasn't even picked up by NoE whose picking up Pandora's Freaking Tower (hypothetical bet is that FE3 would trash Pandora's Tower in EMEAA)

Unless Nintendo as a whole has decided that FE is no longer worth it (and by virtue of them, you know, making a new game, you can't really say that), then this will get localized to all regions, since they know it has a steady western fanbase



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Maynard_Tool on 13 September 2011

damn apparently i missed a good conference :(



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gumby_trucker on 13 September 2011

wow!
in terms of software, 3DS is starting to look like something I might need to have.

Only major obstacles in my way are battery life, and region lock...

The first I can live with, the second I don't know about....



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kitler53 on 13 September 2011
RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:

well first off, agree or disagree?  monster hunter single handedly saved the psp from being a completely irrelevant platform a good 3 or so years ago, maybe more.

now with that said and also knowing that i think this gen of handhelds will be down a decent amount over last gen, losing this game to nintnedo could really put the vita into a irrelevence quite quickly.  as i am intending to purchase a vita this makes me say "grrr..".  and as you may have noticed with my feeling towards the wii - i don't like investing in platforms that lose all game support 2 years into their life-cycle.

Agreed on the first part.

Okay, I mistakenly believed that you were content with your smartphone or whatever you have now for gaming on the go. Anyway, the Vita can still bank on good Japanese third party support despite losing exclusivity of MH (4 will still be on the Vita) and it's not like the 3DS will leave the Vita in the dust due to Nintendo's ongoing refusal to cater to their DS audience.

You might reconsider your feeling towards the Wii, because it had no actual game support in the first place. It's more like you and many others, including me, expected more of the announced games to turn out worth playing, but that was just wishful thinking on our part.

top paragraph - easy mistake to make i'm sure.  true, i do most of my gaming on my iphone but on this i don't exactly practice what i preach.  i still strongly believe dedicated handhelds are going to lose a significant amount of customers to smartphones but i'll get one anyways.  

bottom paragraph - if by support you mean games then the wii had amazing support in the first 2ish years.  okay yeah, it was almost entirely nintendo but still... even nintendo stopped supporting the consoles around the 2 year mark.



Araknie on 14 September 2011

It's time to start selling the 3DS i see. Good.



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kitler53 on 14 September 2011
RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:

top paragraph - easy mistake to make i'm sure.  true, i do most of my gaming on my iphone but on this i don't exactly practice what i preach.  i still strongly believe dedicated handhelds are going to lose a significant amount of customers to smartphones but i'll get one anyways.  

bottom paragraph - if by support you mean games then the wii had amazing support in the first 2ish years.  okay yeah, it was almost entirely nintendo but still... even nintendo stopped supporting the consoles around the 2 year mark.

Nintendo was high on their success at around the two year mark and thought they could make no mistakes. Poor lineup for the holiday season 2008, nothing really planned for the first half of 2009 and third parties didn't show up. That's about the time you switched camps.

Then in the second half of 2009 Nintendo released games again, looked back at the whole year and then decided that the Wii is a seasonal console, so they do the same in 2010: don't really bother with the first half and put everything in the latter half. Same for 2011. It's as if they are too stupid to notice the correlation between software releases and hardware sales, so they don't spread it out more evenly.

In hindsight, every year had about the same amount of actually good releases, but in the later years mostly everything got pushed into fall or the holidays.

well i checked my games and 2009 was definently the year i switched camps.  LBP was my first ps3 game which i got somewhere around march 2009.  i did get quite a few games for the wii in 2009 but looking back i didn't like any of them: NSMB wii, wii sports resort, mad world, tiger woods golf, (EA active was the wifes).   then galaxy 2 in 2010.  thing is, other than donkey kong country and (soon/probably) zelda SS i don't feel like i actually passed on any good wii games in 2009 onward.  am i missing something specific?



MrT-Tar on 14 September 2011
kitler53 said:
RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:

top paragraph - easy mistake to make i'm sure.  true, i do most of my gaming on my iphone but on this i don't exactly practice what i preach.  i still strongly believe dedicated handhelds are going to lose a significant amount of customers to smartphones but i'll get one anyways.  

bottom paragraph - if by support you mean games then the wii had amazing support in the first 2ish years.  okay yeah, it was almost entirely nintendo but still... even nintendo stopped supporting the consoles around the 2 year mark.

Nintendo was high on their success at around the two year mark and thought they could make no mistakes. Poor lineup for the holiday season 2008, nothing really planned for the first half of 2009 and third parties didn't show up. That's about the time you switched camps.

Then in the second half of 2009 Nintendo released games again, looked back at the whole year and then decided that the Wii is a seasonal console, so they do the same in 2010: don't really bother with the first half and put everything in the latter half. Same for 2011. It's as if they are too stupid to notice the correlation between software releases and hardware sales, so they don't spread it out more evenly.

In hindsight, every year had about the same amount of actually good releases, but in the later years mostly everything got pushed into fall or the holidays.

well i checked my games and 2009 was definently the year i switched camps.  LBP was my first ps3 game which i got somewhere around march 2009.  i did get quite a few games for the wii in 2009 but looking back i didn't like any of them: NSMB wii, wii sports resort, mad world, tiger woods golf, (EA active was the wifes).   then galaxy 2 in 2010.  thing is, other than donkey kong country and (soon/probably) zelda SS i don't feel like i actually passed on any good wii games in 2009 onward.  am i missing something specific?

I'm only 19 hours in at the moment, but I go as fall as to call it the best home console RPG since Skies of Arcadia.




kitler53 on 14 September 2011
MrT-Tar said:
kitler53 said:
...

well i checked my games and 2009 was definently the year i switched camps.  LBP was my first ps3 game which i got somewhere around march 2009.  i did get quite a few games for the wii in 2009 but looking back i didn't like any of them: NSMB wii, wii sports resort, mad world, tiger woods golf, (EA active was the wifes).   then galaxy 2 in 2010.  thing is, other than donkey kong country and (soon/probably) zelda SS i don't feel like i actually passed on any good wii games in 2009 onward.  am i missing something specific?

I'm only 19 hours in at the moment, but I go as fall as to call it the best home console RPG since Skies of Arcadia.

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kitler53 on 14 September 2011
RolStoppable said:

Yes, Dead Space Extraction.

But seriously, games that I can think of from 2009 onwards are Metroid Prime Trilogy (if you hadn't played all three games already), Monster Hunter Tri, Sin & Punishment 2, Sonic Colors, Wii Party and Kirby's Epic Yarn. Since you are American you are missing out on Xenoblade Chronicles and next year on The Last Story and Pandora's Tower. There's also another Kirby coming this year and Mario Party 9, Fortune Street and Mario & Sonic London 2012 to cover the local multiplayer angle.

There was also stuff like Punch-Out!!, Metroid: Other M and a couple of third party games (people apparently like Goldeneye), but once you've made the decision that you don't want to play a specific console anymore, the quality that is needed to get you back goes up from just good to game of the generation material, so most of the games I mentioned won't impress you much and thus not persuade you to give the system another look.

dead space extraction - lulz.  i've been meaning to get DS2 so maybe i'll play it on the ps3 some day if it is still bundeled in like before.

monster hunter tri - i'll conceed to that one.  i've never played a MH before but it looks good.

but everything else.  eh.  i tried punch out at a friends, it was okay but not really what i'd expected (want) from a motion controlled boxing game.  metroid other M was infuriatingly terrible.    everything else just isn't really my thing.  i mean, i've owned every nintendo console so far and i've never once purchased a kirby or mario party game so getting wii party or epic yard would really only be because there is litterally nothing else.  not exactly a motivating argument for me.

but you're right, i have turned my back on the wii.  it's just so easy to do though.  i mean, i'm not a complete graphics whore but things like zelda SS hasn't even released yet and it already looks dated compared to what i have been playing.   SS might be an exception but things like MH, MoM, xeno, TLS, PT don't even make use of motion controlls in any meaningful way so i've got all of the disadvanages of the wii's hardware without any of the advantages.  what's the point? 

it's like in NSMB wii - trine had amazing multiplayer platforming, a heck of a lot better presentation, and at ~1/4 the price.  for the $50 i put into NSMB wii i could have got trine, braid, limbo, and still have cash to spare.  actually i did get those three and with trine and braid i spent more time playing it then i did with NSMB wii.  limbo was short but very very sweet.  there are just better things being developed then what nintendo is trying to offer.



kitler53 on 14 September 2011
RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:

dead space extraction - lulz.  i've been meaning to get DS2 so maybe i'll play it on the ps3 some day if it is still bundeled in like before.

monster hunter tri - i'll conceed to that one.  i've never played a MH before but it looks good.

but everything else.  eh.  i tried punch out at a friends, it was okay but not really what i'd expected (want) from a motion controlled boxing game.  metroid other M was infuriatingly terrible.    everything else just isn't really my thing.  i mean, i've owned every nintendo console so far and i've never once purchased a kirby or mario party game so getting wii party or epic yard would really only be because there is litterally nothing else.  not exactly a motivating argument for me.

but you're right, i have turned my back on the wii.  it's just so easy to do though.  i mean, i'm not a complete graphics whore but things like zelda SS hasn't even released yet and it already looks dated compared to what i have been playing.   SS might be an exception but things like MH, MoM, xeno, TLS, PT don't even make use of motion controlls in any meaningful way so i've got all of the disadvanages of the wii's hardware without any of the advantages.  what's the point? 

it's like in NSMB wii - trine had amazing multiplayer platforming, a heck of a lot better presentation, and at ~1/4 the price.  for the $50 i put into NSMB wii i could have got trine, braid, limbo, and still have cash to spare.  actually i did get those three and with trine and braid i spent more time playing it then i did with NSMB wii.  limbo was short but very very sweet.

Well, I did say that it wouldn't be a motivating argument.

Your mistake is that you see any form of limitation as a disadvantage. Take Xenoblade Chronicles for example. It's on the Wii, so it naturally shouldn't feature a bigger and more open world than JRPGs on HD consoles. But that's exactly what it does, because the Wii's limitations allowed the game to be consistently good looking in huge areas in a reasonable amount of development time (they even cut an area as big as the entire Hyrule Field of Twilight Princess from the final game which in XC's case only amounts to about 5 %). It just takes way too much time to create worlds of this scope on an HD console and have them look consistenly good which is why Square-Enix decided to take the path they did for Final Fantasy XIII. The result is that FF XIII got mocked endlessly for being a corridor game while XC received nothing but praise. When content has to be cut for the sake of graphics, that is the real disadvantage.

I haven't played those XBLA/PSN games you mentioned, but judging from gameplay videos I have to assume that you are joking. Or it's just that the gap between our tastes is much wider than I ever imagined.

and what good game has SE done this gen at all?  they seem to be in all sorts of disarray this gen.

look, games like valkyria chronicles, mirror's edge, anything by atlus, and really any game developed with the intent of not leaving japan prove that you can make HD games that look good even on a shoestring development budget.  things like epic mickey prove that even SD development can cost a boat load.  there are soo many factors that go into development costs that you can't simply reduce it to SD vs HD.  i mean, GoW collection only took 15 weeks for port to (the clusterfuck that is the) ps3 and re-texture both games for HD.

then there are games like star wars forced unleashed that was built ground up for the wii but has not just crappy graphics but also crappy gameplay because the hardware can't support the advanced physics, display as many enemies at a time, or support as advanced AI.  i don't know how much HD gaming you've done but i promise you ... as much as people dwell on the graphics there are also been tremendous gains in gameplay mechanics from the ps2 era.