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Game_boy said:
@Gnizmo

You keep thinking of a PC as it is today. Tomorrow, the PC will be the multimedia streaming centre and you will sit in front of a large TV as you have always done and play platformers with a proprietary controller. There will be no need for consoles, because the PC will be a home server streaming content to all forms of interactive devices in the home. You will never click into games from the desktop.

 That is a claim that has been thrown around for years. I knew people who swore DVD players would be bigger on PCs than on TVs and we see how that went. Do you know what my greatest party trick is right now? I play video files on my PC/Laptop on a regular TV. Everyone always thinks it is the coolest thing ever! You know what the best part is though? Their PC/Laptop can also do it. Almost every video card I have seen for the last 2 years has had TV out, and most in the last 5 years have had it. People don't like all in one set-ups like that though. It makes everything slightly more complex, and thus they just get confused and give up.



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Grey Acumen said:
I will have to refute a number of your points.

There is a definite trend that consoles are becoming more like PCs as they evolve, as 360 and PS3 have shown, but i believe that part of the Wii's success is due to backlash over this issue.

Yes, but it is a slow and inevitable trend. That's why i'm saying 10-15 years unlike the "Wii HD in 2009" crowd.

For the typical consumer, they want the sense that their purchase will get them the same game and features as everyone else who is buying that game, and that they won't lose features depending on how current their PC is.

Don't you see that happening already with all the SKUs, firmware updates and console game patches/ports with exclusive content?


 

You either missed my point, or are ignoring it. My second paragraph there was still refferring to the Wii, not all the consoles.

My point basically stands that 80% of the reason why the Wii is succeeding hand over foot against the PS3 and 360 is because they are the ones who are headed towards this demise you're talking about. The numerous SKUs, firmware updates and patches and ports are almost all 360/PS3. Nintendo right now has had maybe 3 minor firmware updates, no new SKUs, I've heard of a patch for MAYBE one game, and even if you have ports from other consoles, the use of the Wiimote basically changes everything about how the game is played to the point that people are buying it on the idea that will be different from the other ports.

As things stand, Yes, I totally see the future you're talking about happening to 360 and PS3, but nintendo is setting themselves totally apart from that, and I believe they will continue to do so.



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Game_boy said:

"The next Nintendo console will likely be nearly as strong as the 360"

Precisely. And the next one after that will be as powerful as the 3rd Xbox, and then you have an equal gradient of increasing specs to the Xbox, just one step behind. So we still reach the "console singularity", except Nintendo does so 5 years late. 


 The large disparity in the power of the various consoles is mostly unique to this generation. Having similar capabilities will not lead to console singularity as you claim. The input devices is what has always been the largest difference, and that difference is only getting more exagerated.



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Grey Acumen said:
As things stand, Yes, I totally see the future you're talking about happening to 360 and PS3, but nintendo is setting themselves totally apart from that, and I believe they will continue to do so.

 Nintendo is also mopping the floor with the competition following their own path. Both Microsoft and Sony will take note of that. Expect the next generation of consoles to incorporate a lot of the lessons we are learning from the success of the Wii. They won't be exact clones of course, but I suspect they will move closer to simple fun as opposed to bleeding edge technology.



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Gnizmo said:
Grey Acumen said:
As things stand, Yes, I totally see the future you're talking about happening to 360 and PS3, but nintendo is setting themselves totally apart from that, and I believe they will continue to do so.

Nintendo is also mopping the floor with the competition following their own path. Both Microsoft and Sony will take note of that. Expect the next generation of consoles to incorporate a lot of the lessons we are learning from the success of the Wii. They won't be exact clones of course, but I suspect they will move closer to simple fun as opposed to bleeding edge technology.


I thought that too, but I can see now that the Wii is a correction to the slow lane, not a revolution. We will end up with the best of technology and fun in the next generation (no way am I saying Nintendo will fail or even come anything less than first this or next generation). However, console technology nearing the PC is what will be pushed by the entire industry except Nintendo even if the Xbox 360 or PS3 fail.



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Game_boy said:
Gnizmo said:
Grey Acumen said:
As things stand, Yes, I totally see the future you're talking about happening to 360 and PS3, but nintendo is setting themselves totally apart from that, and I believe they will continue to do so.

Nintendo is also mopping the floor with the competition following their own path. Both Microsoft and Sony will take note of that. Expect the next generation of consoles to incorporate a lot of the lessons we are learning from the success of the Wii. They won't be exact clones of course, but I suspect they will move closer to simple fun as opposed to bleeding edge technology.


I thought that too, but I can see now that the Wii is a correction to the slow lane, not a revolution. We will end up with the best of technology and fun in the next generation (no way am I saying Nintendo will fail or even come anything less than first this or next generation). However, console technology nearing the PC is what will be pushed by the entire industry except Nintendo even if the Xbox 360 or PS3 fail.


 Why on earth do you think that? There is already evidence surfacing that Microsoft is paying attention to what Nintendo has done. Sony has also made cryptic statements alluding to the fact that the PS4 will be going down a different path than the PS3 is. Whatevidence do you have that supports this silly notion of Microsoft and Sony refusing to notice the unbelievable success of both the DS and the Wii.



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"Why on earth do you think that? There is already evidence surfacing that Microsoft is paying attention to what Nintendo has done. Sony has also made cryptic statements alluding to the fact that the PS4 will be going down a different path than the PS3 is. Whatevidence do you have that supports this silly notion of Microsoft and Sony refusing to notice the unbelievable success of both the DS and the Wii."

I know that, but I still believe the trend of eroding my four key advantages will continue - i.e. PS3/Xbox 360 simply went further along the path than the market can accept at this point, and the Wii still represents some movement in that direction with its System Updates and $250 launch price.

The audience that will buy my kind of console is increasing all of the time as people are born and the current under-25 fascination and familiarity with that sort of technology will stay with that generation.



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Great thread. Your scenario could end up coming true however I believe there is no reason why PCs and consoles can't coexist. While you can get your PC to do almost anything the upkeep is much higher especially in terms of hardware upgrades. So while PC gamers must make sure that their PC is up to date and capable of running the latest games, console gamers know that their games have been optimized for their console.

Consequently I don't see consoles going away anytime soon. On another note I don't see consoles going backwards as far as being turned into multimedia centers. I see consoles having a symbiotic relationship with PCs well into the future.





 

 

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BengaBenga said:
Good read but I don't agree:

As far as I know almost everyone has a PC and yet CD-players, DVD-players, consoles etc. are being sold. PC's will never fully take over consumer electronics functions because

1. some people want quality (like a good CD/Amplifier/Vinylplayer combination), PC's don't provide this by nature, since everything is digital and most consumer electronic functions are not not a core function of a PC without extra expences. (Good souncards are expensive for example and still don't match real amplifiers/speaker combination).

Everything that can be done in hardware can be done in software. It is only a matter of time really.

I seriously doubt that a PC can play Vinyl ever. Plus it's not that a lot of thing can't be done by PC's, it's that not many will tweak their PC's to match the quality they can have with single components like amplifiers, even if they will become available and competitive in prive for PC's. Please show me the PC hardware that simulates a good amplifier, is affordable and looks nice in your home.


2. Most people see their PC as a WORK station, used for documents/internet, people don't want to use there computer for everything.

That would be why sales of top-end gaming video cards have never been higher, Windows Home Server for multimedia sharing has been released and media extenders have never beenn more popular. Just because your PC is boring doesn't mean other people's must be.

My PC is absolutely boring, like the majority of people who just buy a PC and don't do anything other than computer stuff with it. I know on a forum like this the number of people that have extra-ordinary PC's is higher than average, but your average consumer barely knows how to use iTunes and that's it.


3. Putting a DVD in your DVD player is way more convenient than using Windows/software stuff for everything. People want convenient equipment, not a mouse/keyboard combination to do everything.

That's you can put DVDs in my computer and use a media remote to control it. Optical media will die in favour of downloaded content - there will be TVs that link to your PC as a dumb display device channeling remote input to the PC and streaming downloaded movies from the PC.

You'd still have to have your PC on and have no-one else using it. Remember that media devices are designed to be used in family circumstances and that most families have 1 or 2 PC's of which the probably won't use any to be used as a DVD player. Of course TV's will be linked to the internet in some sort of way, but this will probably more in a way we see with current pay-TV decoders.

Gameconsoles definitely will become more and more functional with the internet and have more discspace and function, but just like today the market for different home consoles will exist because people love to play games on their TV instead of on a PC where they have to install files and be attached to a keyboard/mouse.

No. The PC will have like a Linux package manager (one-click invisible download and install) and then stream the game to your TV if you want per point 3.

OK, but that doesn't mean people will not buy seperate devices for seperate things. I really think people will continue to buy consoles, amps, DVD-CD players and so on because the average consumer won't, for a long time, wants to invest in a computer that handles everything until "server-like" home networks are common, that have everything on one server that is accesible without a "windows-like environment" from different screens so that once you turn on the TV it won't show the whole environment, but just the film/TV section for example. Also the quality of computer hardware has to be

 


The reason why it hasn't happened yet is proprietary standards. I want a media network in my home, but tyere's o many proprietary, DRM'd and conflicting standards that I can't do it. When open standards like Displayport, OGG Theora and Vorbis, and Linux dominate it will be easier and much cheaper to do so without buying closed software and hardware to do the same job.


I really think people will continue to buy consoles, amps, DVD-CD players and so on because the average consumer won't, for a long time, wants to invest in a computer that handles everything until "server-like" home networks are common, that have everything on one server that is accesible without a "windows-like environment" from different screens so that once you turn on the TV it won't show the whole environment, but just the film/TV section for example. Even then the quality of computer hardware has to become as good as specialized products. Why would someone buy a specialized product to build it in a PC if you can also have it and put it in your room, without installing anything. 



Game_boy said:
"Why on earth do you think that? There is already evidence surfacing that Microsoft is paying attention to what Nintendo has done. Sony has also made cryptic statements alluding to the fact that the PS4 will be going down a different path than the PS3 is. Whatevidence do you have that supports this silly notion of Microsoft and Sony refusing to notice the unbelievable success of both the DS and the Wii."

I know that, but I still believe the trend of eroding my four key advantages will continue - i.e. PS3/Xbox 360 simply went further along the path than the market can accept at this point, and the Wii still represents some movement in that direction with its System Updates and $250 launch price.

The audience that will buy my kind of console is increasing all of the time as people are born and the current under-25 fascination and familiarity with that sort of technology will stay with that generation.

 So, in other words, you have no evidence at all of what you claim. The under 25 market is not guaranteed to be tech savvy, and a large number of them are not. My party trick has been shown almost exclusively to people under the age of 25. Simplicity sells. That is why Windows is, and will continue to be the dominant OS. Linux isn't even that hard to get or understand, but it holds your hand a lot less than any version of Windows so it remains a niche.

 Further more, the 360 and PS3 are not headed down a path to the PC. They both have signficant differences that make a ctirical distinction between them and PCs that will not be erased. 95% of games on the 360 and all games released on the PS3 work on every model. You buy a game and it works. That is what has made console gaming so popular, and that has never changed. Microsoft refuses to allow developers to require the hard drive be present even though over 80% of their consoles have it because they want to keep every game on every console they have sold.

 The other big distinction is the controller is the same on every console, so the game handles the same everytime. You don't have to make sure the game works on a dvorak kkeyboard with a track ball mouse or any of that nonsense because it is exactly the same. You don't have to remap the keys or fiddle with the settings to make the game perfect.



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