Which implies that, I don't have to do good. Just as long as I believe in God before I die. I will "naturally" be good then. There's no reason for you to be good from the begining to the end, since, all sins are forgiven as soon as you turn-to-God.

And who is judging your good deeds? Based on what standards? How would you know if someone is "buying their way" with good deeds?

As Jon Stewart Said in his Earth Book, you go to hell for 3 reasons...

1) You were being bad on Earth
2) You were being good but didn't follow the right religion.
3) You were being good, followed the right religion, but didn't follow the right religion up to standard.

I do #1, but not #2 or #3.  Then again, I don't believe in heaven or hell - which means alot of religious people will say that I'm going to hell.

The first premise of "why hell?" is: Matthew 25:41
"The question here is why does GOD have to create such a world where we just fight each other based on money and work"
That`s not the world God made. God made us of free will, a heart and a mind. It`s what you do with them that matters.

If men to this day still can`t make uo their mind on what is good and bad, i don`t think a person should rely too much on humanity.
Look at it this way. If right and wrong are changing time after time, what exactly is changing? The meaning or the existance of such values?
There are many sources that claim what is good and what is wrong.
I could say that God being good made us in His image therefore, at our very core, not only resides the true definition of goodness but that in the end isn`t that what people yearn?

Look closely and you`ll find your answers.

"once we go in heaven,what do we do out there?"
No one knows.

I laughed at this comment in the other thread (considering your avatar) and I laughed now again! Good stuff.

OT I'm sitting this one out.

Its like the kid and the ant farm. Sometimes you just want to "shake things up" to see how the ants respond.

You don't have to be good in a way. You have to follow Christ which means well you sorta do have to be good. Since Christs teachings were very explicit on how to act and live our lives. Yes their is a good reason to be a good person from beginning to end, because if you accept Christ and follow his teachings then you will be good.

Christianity is a faith based on forgiveness. Its also a faith that acknowledges man's flaws their is no such thing as a good man. No such thing as a sinless man, we all sin. As such yah we are going to be forgiven for the things we do, if we ask for that forgiveness and genuinely do believe and follow Christ.

The Bible clearly says no man should judge another man. It says that you will be judged as you judge others. Only God can judge and while we have guidlines to life set out in the Bible their is no way we could fathom or understand how he will pass judgement. We only know that if we follow his teachings and accept his forgiveness it will be granted.

How would we know if someone was buying their way to heaven? How could someone buy their way to heaven when eternal life is not conditional on deeds? Someone doing good deeds constantly to try and get to heaven will be no more likely to go there then the man who turns his life around.

It does say in the Bible good deeds and living a good life will be rewarded with treasures that are eternal in heaven. However it does not say that deeds can get you to heaven.

Circular reasonings.

Point 1. God is a tyrant. According to you, not me :)

Point 2. If we are all sinners. A little more sins doesn't really do anything, would it? I.E. I robbed 10 banks, would it matter if I rob just 1 more?  If everything we do or not do may or may not be sins, how do we know what to do and not to do? Shouldn't it be clear for the people who wish to follow?

Point 3. Which backs up my argument with Point 2. If you are told that you can't judge what's right or wrong, how do you (or anyone) know what you're doing is right or wrong?

Point 4. Again, God is a tyrant. :) At least, tell us, clearly, what is right and wrong. If we aren't allowed clear paths that we can then judge ourselves and others, there's no way to know what's right or wrong.

Point 5. Lastely, it again goes back to previous points. How do you suppose we follow God if God gives no path for us to follow?

We are all judges. We judge ourselves and other people. We assume. By simply saying you follow God, you're not following. Since you said it yourself as pointed out above. God gives you no path to follow. You are unable to tell what's right or wrong. You are not allowed to judge.

It's like saying. I, God, wants everyone to follow me. It's the only path to Heaven. But, you can't follow me and I am not going to give you direction.

When did I say that? Dude you totally don't understand Christianity. Fact is the Bible is a path to follow, Jesus laid it out perfectly throughout the Bible exactly how we are supposed to live. Just because he forgives people for their sins doesn't mean he's a tyrant.

We are all judges, however we are supposed to control ourselves and not judge others. Its very important not to pass judgement on someone else , rather try and understand why they did what they did. Often their are very reasonable reasons for someone doing something and when their aren't its usually a mental disability and such. Nobody does anything for no reason at all and judging everything everyone does when you yourself do tons of things is just plain wrong.

Umm your misreading facts, since Adam and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil they did understand what was right and wrong.

Lets rephrase what you said logically

I God, want everyone to follow me. All those who do accept forgiveness will be granted it and live forever in heaven. I sent my son and the Bible to guide you in how to live a life that is pleasing to me and will help you.

Also I can't see how I in any way insinuated God is a tyrant. Forgiving all our sins, sending his son to die and always loving us. I can't see that as tyranny.

I have not read the Bible so I was just taking your words for it.

According to your reasoning, it's quite contradicting. You're not supposed to judge but you're the judge, or restraining yourself from judging. So, are you supposed to or not?

Tyranny in term of, my way or the highway.

When did I say "Your the judge" I said we all judge as you said however we aren't supposed to according to the Bible. Judge lest you be judged. In other words we all sin and make mistakes and acting all high and mighty judging others for their mistakes is wrong as we too have made plenty of mistakes.

As for my way or the highway, I don't claim to understand everything going on in Gods mind. But I'd say if I created a universe for these creatures that I loved and spent alot of effort making. Then those ingrates turned on me, decided they were better then me and stopped listening to me. I'd find it very hard to say "Okay do what ever you want".

Infact if I was God I'm not sure I'd send my son to save all those sorry asses either. I mean obviously they aren't listening to your commands. They don't give a crap about what you say. Why in the world should I go out of my way to improve their lives?

But its a good thing I'm not God. I probably would have smited the whole earth by now lol! Their probably would be no free will I would expect my creations to have some sense of loyalty.

But God sent his son to die so that not only would he save us from our sins but teach us how to live! Just be glad I'm not God lol!