I've ground tired of you and this thread of yours. I've replied a few times in a civil manner to try to convince you that God is not something that you can explain or explain away scientifically. I've either gotten no response or a short reply belittling my points. Points I might add were valid observations.

You have zero regard for people with faith. That much is apparent. You have disrespected people and their religion with nearly each post in this thread. What's funny is, you seem to believe you're being nice about it. I think in your own twisted way you think you're talking down to children and they don't know what you're doing. I have news for you, we aren't fools and you aren't saving us from a world with religion. I don't know why you despise religion so much or why you have so little respect for people's faith, but I think it's time to stop. You have had your say and now it's getting old.

People have tried to get this through to your hate clouded mind, but I'm going to say it again for clarity. God cannot be proven or disproven. You know that, I know that, we all know that. It's a moot point. This topic is a farce. Science, in all its splendor, cannot bare witness to the unseen. Stop trying to define, categorize, and catalogue people's faith.

As for your latest offensive comment above. Has it never occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, people read their holy texts BECAUSE they believe in God and not the other way around? Probably not. You probably think everyone who believes in God was brainwashed as children and never thought twice about it. In truth faith is constantly tested, not by people like you, but by each individual person of faith, internally. Sure there are idiots who don't give any thought to their religion, but there are idiots everywhere. If we judged the validity of an organization solely on its dumbest supporters all organizations and government would look like a joke. Videogame forums would probably be the biggest joke of the all.

My advice to you is to try to deal with the fact that religion surrounds you. You don't have to participate and you don't even have to like it. If you want to be happy I suggest you learn to tolerate it.

This will be my last reply. I'll probably read your response if you leave one, but I have no further interest in discussing this topic. Seriously, the best thing to do would be to delete this farce of a topic and pretend it never happened.

Good day.

I wish I had something to contribute to this thread. I've converted back and forth between atheist and christianity multiple times, I must have something to say... But I burned out the part of my brain dealing with religious discussions or debates. I have literally stopped caring about in the slightest. I haven't heard a new argument for either side in years... Any time I try to talk about religion it feels like dejavu...

Many people belive many different things for all kinds of reasons, I have no problem with what people feel the need to belive in. It's only when they make faulty arguments bassed on their belifes to other people I find it funny...

and yet you STILL completely miss the point. 

I don't care if people have faith, I don't care if you believe there's a God or Mohammed or Buddha or Zeus, I don't care if you believe in pixies or spirits or witches or vampires or the Matrix.  I don't care if you have faith, I feel we all have a right to believe what we want.  

the PROBLEM is that we have these religious people using God as an excuse to kill one another, fight one another, act superior, and interfere with scientific progress.  if religion, as a whole, continues to do this (which it will), I feel it is very important that they quantify their beliefs.  if Religion is going to be such an important part of society, they shouldn't be protected from criticism by their whiny "B'awww, don't attack my faith" fall-back even though (and I say this as a general statement, not at you directly) they are regularly attacking our science and politics. 

If you have faith, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.  the moment someone starts saying "This is real" and "God wants us all to do this" and "Evolution is false, intelligent design is real" or "Stem Cell research is the devil", or they decide to judge me because I don't follow their faith, I have a problem.  I wouldn't have a problem if there was more than "I believe this because my preacher/my bible/my heart tells me to."  

and NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE TO QUANTIFY IT.  I've read every single response in this thread and nobody has actually done anything more than defend their faith, nothing has offered evidence to any God's existence.  No math, no science, jsut a lot of "this is what I believe and why I believe it."  

What the hell? I never used the Bible as a refferance for anything, what are you talking about? I base my knowledge of God with pure logic and reason and the claim theologists have made by researching religion and its history and ancient texts as well And no where did I say that I am providing any kind of evidence at all. I was simply answering what I think its right to the guy who asked the question. Night surge was right, you are either spinning the debate or evading it so you can put more pressure and flame bait on other posters. I never posted here with the intention to prove God to you, since that is obviously impossible for the reasons I mentioned  in my last post. I dont feel the need to prove my faith to anyone, but to God himself. If I wanted to ''prove'' anything to you, you would know.

Ok, lets do this step by step.

1.I never said in ANY way, I said God exposes himself to people trough FAITH

2.I beleive its so, because it makes sense, if people actually SAW God while alive with their eyes, people would become largely dependant on him and loose free will, and that would go directly against his divine plan.

3.Again, I was talking about God's direct visual appereance to the world, as that would be ''the only ultimate proof'' of his existance, all others, would be refutable, and said that his appereance would directly damage his divine plan. I never denied that God can interact or even speak to some people, I only claimed he doesnt do that in visual appereance. God works in mysterious ways, after all :)

You are the man of great patience, padib. Don't know what are you trying to achive tho.

You didn't use the Bible as a reference, you just base your statements on research done on ancient texts and religion (based on ancient texts).  So what you're saying is, you didn't use ONLY the Bible but also the Koran etc.?  Because otherwise you are just spouting nonsense. 

If you didn't intend your posts as claiming you had evidence for God, that's fine, but you certainly are (indirectly) citing holy books. 

So what you are saying is that the only way that God exposes himself to humans is through them deciding that there is a god? That is kinda ilogical, if God only exposes himself to people that already belive in his existance how did the first human to have faith learn of God? 

That doesn't make sense if god reveald himself to everyone and told them he would not interfear with their lives in any way, how would people rely on him? I mean plenty of religious people do rely on God some extriemests even go as far as avoiding modern medicine because they think they can rely on god to fix all that ails them.

How could you possibly know he has a devine plan, exposing himself would hurt said plan if you disregard all holly texts? 

You can't. Ha! I win right?