if the man thinks its too expensive then its too expensive, jeez
if the man thinks its too expensive then its too expensive, jeez
| oniyide said: if the man thinks its too expensive then its too expensive, jeez |
True enough, but he's painting an incorrect image of how much it costs.
Saying "PC gaming was so expensive ten years ago so its too expensive." does nothing to show how it is today.
You know what else was expensive back then? Flatscreen TV's, widescreen TV's and LCD monitors. Times change, PC gaming does not make you destitute like he makes it sound. Like I've stated earlier in here, I still run new games on my rig from four years back (I am buying a new one now though) and I recently bought over 30 full games for about 50 pounds through Steam PC. The games are dirt cheap and the PC version is always technically superior, two good reasons to play on the PC (and partly why I do it). You also get access to a back catalogue that console gamers can only dream of along with emulators giving you full access to every console's back catalogue as well.
Is PC gaming expensive? If you want to keep playing every game all the time at absolute max settings, then yes, at least somewhat, but its all relative. Otherwise; no. Even with a new GPU every single year, it won't cost that much, especially with the ridiculous hardware prices in the US. People spend just as much or more on cellphones every year anyway. In fact; a new iPhone will cost you as much as a decent stationary gaming PC and then you have to add in phone bills on top. Its all about priority, you want a gaming PC? Skip the iPad (or similar things) and the new phone every year and its done, no problem. Its what I do.
Mummelmann said:
Saying "PC gaming was so expensive ten years ago so its too expensive." does nothing to show how it is today. You know what else was expensive back then? Flatscreen TV's, widescreen TV's and LCD monitors. Times change, PC gaming does not make you destitute like he makes it sound. Like I've stated earlier in here, I still run new games on my rig from four years back (I am buying a new one now though) and I recently bought over 30 full games for about 50 pounds through Steam PC. The games are dirt cheap and the PC version is always technically superior, two good reasons to play on the PC (and partly why I do it). You also get access to a back catalogue that console gamers can only dream of along with emulators giving you full access to every console's back catalogue as well. Is PC gaming expensive? If you want to keep playing every game all the time at absolute max settings, then yes, at least somewhat, but its all relative. Otherwise; no. Even with a new GPU every single year, it won't cost that much, especially with the ridiculous hardware prices in the US. People spend just as much or more on cellphones every year anyway. In fact; a new iPhone will cost you as much as a decent stationary gaming PC and then you have to add in phone bills on top. Its all about priority, you want a gaming PC? Skip the iPad (or similar things) and the new phone every year and its done, no problem. Its what I do. |
IMHO he was just telling his own experience. I dont think he was so much telling people... you know what never mind, maybe he was
I agree with all of your points except that Nintendo creates everything first and Sony/MS copy them. Not true at all.
Sony was first to dual-joysticks (the basis of every modern controller besides the Wiimote) and also first to motion controls if you count sixaxis. Correct me if I'm wrong but Sixaxis was patented before the wii-mote. Of course the PS Move is a blatant copy of Wiimote but for motion controls in general Sony was before Nintendo (correct me if I'm wrong there).
Console gaming is cheaper.
WHen I stopped getting money from my parents I found pc gaming to be a far cheaper alternative to console gaming.
I spend $350 on parts and perpherials on amazon and made myself a pc that can perfectly run any game I've tried so far on high settings, and any game over the next few years should be lag free if played on medium settings. I had never build anything electronic before and it only took me an hour and a half to make the computer. Just watched a youtube instructional video while making it.
I buy most of my games for under $10 on steam, and thats not just indie games, but full games as well. The retail value of my steam library if bought today would be $700, but thanks to all the amazing deals I've waited for I've spent under $100. Over the next 5 years I will probably spend $200 more dollars on occasional upgrades(I don't want to play all my games on super maxed out settings) and $200 on games.
Total cost should be $850 for 6 years of owning and playing on a gaming pc which I will also be using for work and school. I got windows 7 for free from my father's work, but even if you add that in its $950.
I bought my xbox around a year after launch and in my 5 years of ownership, I have spent around $800 on games, $400 for the console, $200 for perpherials such as controllers, and wireless adaptors, $200 for xbox live, and I would still need to buy myself a pc for school and work
So total cost $1600 for 5 years of gaming + at least $200 to buy some crappy computer for school and work.
In the one year I owned my ps3 I already spent more than I estimate my pc already cost me and will cost me over the next 5 years.
| Marks said: I agree with all of your points except that Nintendo creates everything first and Sony/MS copy them. Not true at all. Sony was first to dual-joysticks (the basis of every modern controller besides the Wiimote) and also first to motion controls if you count sixaxis. Correct me if I'm wrong but Sixaxis was patented before the wii-mote. Of course the PS Move is a blatant copy of Wiimote but for motion controls in general Sony was before Nintendo (correct me if I'm wrong there). |
you are wrong, you forgot about eyetoy for PS2
oniyide said:
its the principal, they are charging us to pay for a feature in a game we ALREADy bought. If they want to have extra features like ESPN for Gold, thats fine, but at the very least silver members should be able to play games online |
As a person who has owned a PS3 ( and my brother still does - he all all three consoles ) and owns a Xbox 360 I can tell you when looking beyond basic online gaming there is a difference. In basic function PSN does a good job for COD.
..but now that Sony has started Playstation Plus ( 49.99 a year in USA ), it seems Sony is trying to do something similar to MS... offer more premium services at a small cost.. Conversely, now that Playstation is gonna charge for PS Plus, Microsoft has decided to give some previously 'Xbox Live Gold Members Only content' to the (FREE) 'Xbox Live Silver membership content '... the changes should be happening soon.. so Xbox users using the free service should be getting alittle more bang for nothing..
When it comes to your above coment, I dont think you have a valid argument. Any Xbox game does have a spot on the bottom back of the game case, it reads: *Xbox Live System Requirements: Paid Subscription required for online multiplayer.* So if you actually own a Xbox and havent see this somehow - I will tell you that you 'AREN'T' getting charged for any feature you already bought. Xbox Live Gold ( paid ) has always offered full game demos of new games.. Xbox Live Silver ( Free ) does not.... Playstation Plus ( 49.99 a year ) will offer a very similar thing over PSN's (Free ) content.. .. So I guess you can see why Xbox Live Gold cant be free?
When it comes to downloadable content I've been on PSN on my brothers PS3 a few times in the last few months ( again, he has all 3 consoles ) The amount of demos, trailers and other gaming content available On XB Live is way larger than the Playstation Network. Xbox Live offers nearly 200 full retail games for digital download as well.. and im not talking older games - most of them are newers like Halo Reach..
From an online gaming community point of view... This is where the Xbox Live is way ahead of the Playstation Live. On Xbox LIVE talking to your friends, cross game invites, voice chat, video chat over cams, text messages ( texting can be done easier with the mini qwerty keyboard for the controller ) and many other things with the press of a single button- much more seemless and refined. In the Xbox Live community your profile will show your friends last played games, displays their personal slogans, latest gamer score, in game achievements and many other things. Now while most of this is in the PSN as well .. PSN has some drawbacks .. i.e. ..you would have to exit a game before you can look into one of your friends’ profiles... its small things like this that are so much easier to access and more useable on Xbox Live.
One more thing where XB Live scores is the presence of sponsored events by MS which will keep gamers hooked. The Playstation Network never really has many Sony sponsored events although there are rumors that there will be more so in the future.
Subscription money is used by MS to maintain server quality, reliability, and continously update features and continously add content .. I can say unbiased that PSN is good for a free service, but when you have problems you can't really complain. What do you say? "Fix this or I'll say fix this, again.." ?
I think PS3 fans that enjoy a wider variety of content will pay for the PlayStation Plus.. I can say I dont mind paying what little I do for the service I enjoy.. Ive always payed for Xbox Live, but Ive always liked having more content and quality..
oniyide said:
you are wrong, you forgot about eyetoy for PS2 |
lol true! I never heard much about those back when I played PS2
Joelcool7 said:
Now recently I was looking into a gaming laptop. Why? Because towers are inefficient and most retailers barely carry them anymore. Not to mention for business purposes other then gaming I need a laptop so a gaming laptop makes the most sense right now! So yes a decade ago I was investing up to 1,000$ a year to keep my PC up to date. So I could play originally AOE:II and then Phantom Menace those were two of the big games I wanted to ensure I could play. I upgraded twice before dropping PC in favor of consoles, since then I still owned a PC but never bought one powerful enough to game, because getting one strong enough to play the latest games is just too expensive. Now I'm looking into a laptop for business. I need it to be able to play some games however I don't have shit tons of money either. A 1,200$ machine is out of question. I'm planning to see what I can get black Friday, hopefully something that will run some of the newer games. But in that case it probably won't be able to run the latest games very well. As I said PC gaming is just too expensive. |
First off, I played phantom menace and Age of Kings on the exact same PC (I only upgraded when UT2003 came out to be honest). Second off, laptops for gaming are expensive, no fucking shit. As I said, I can't take any of your points as being serious because of that.
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rf40928 said:
As a person who has owned a PS3 ( and my brother still does - he all all three consoles ) and owns a Xbox 360 I can tell you when looking beyond basic online gaming there is a difference. In basic function PSN does a good job for COD. ..but now that Sony has started Playstation Plus ( 49.99 a year in USA ), it seems Sony is trying to do something similar to MS... offer more premium services at a small cost.. Conversely, now that Playstation is gonna charge for PS Plus, Microsoft has decided to give some previously 'Xbox Live Gold Members Only content' to the (FREE) 'Xbox Live Silver membership content '... the changes should be happening soon.. so Xbox users using the free service should be getting alittle more bang for nothing.. When it comes to your above coment, I dont think you have a valid argument. Any Xbox game does have a spot on the bottom back of the game case, it reads: *Xbox Live System Requirements: Paid Subscription required for online multiplayer.* So if you actually own a Xbox and havent see this somehow - I will tell you that you 'AREN'T' getting charged for any feature you already bought. Xbox Live Gold ( paid ) has always offered full game demos of new games.. Xbox Live Silver ( Free ) does not.... Playstation Plus ( 49.99 a year ) will offer a very similar thing over PSN's (Free ) content.. .. So I guess you can see why Xbox Live Gold cant be free? When it comes to downloadable content I've been on PSN on my brothers PS3 a few times in the last few months ( again, he has all 3 consoles ) The amount of demos, trailers and other gaming content available On XB Live is way larger than the Playstation Network. Xbox Live offers nearly 200 full retail games for digital download as well.. and im not talking older games - most of them are newers like Halo Reach.. From an online gaming community point of view... This is where the Xbox Live is way ahead of the Playstation Live. On Xbox LIVE talking to your friends, cross game invites, voice chat, video chat over cams, text messages ( texting can be done easier with the mini qwerty keyboard for the controller ) and many other things with the press of a single button- much more seemless and refined. In the Xbox Live community your profile will show your friends last played games, displays their personal slogans, latest gamer score, in game achievements and many other things. Now while most of this is in the PSN as well .. PSN has some drawbacks .. i.e. ..you would have to exit a game before you can look into one of your friends’ profiles... its small things like this that are so much easier to access and more useable on Xbox Live. One more thing where XB Live scores is the presence of sponsored events by MS which will keep gamers hooked. The Playstation Network never really has many Sony sponsored events although there are rumors that there will be more so in the future. Subscription money is used by MS to maintain server quality, reliability, and continously update features and continously add content .. I can say unbiased that PSN is good for a free service, but when you have problems you can't really complain. What do you say? "Fix this or I'll say fix this, again.." ? I think PS3 fans that enjoy a wider variety of content will pay for the PlayStation Plus.. I can say I dont mind paying what little I do for the service I enjoy.. Ive always payed for Xbox Live, but Ive always liked having more content and quality.. |
Xbox live Gold has some great features, thats not what this is about. IMHO I could give a crap about ESPN, Cross game chat and all that stuff, i just want to play games online, so when people tell me about all those features i really dont care so the cost of the service has no value to me, thats just me. Subscription money is usedd to maintain server quality and update features?? Xbox live cant be free?? OK thats cool, but why cant Silver members play their games online? Im not buying that they need the money to maintain server quality and add more content. Sony has been doing the same thing for years without charging Nintendo too and PC games have been doing it forever (MMOs notwithstanding). As for PSN Plus, it sucks, im just gonnna keep it real. Its a waste of money, the only thing you get is discounts which will probably end up costing the same if you never pay the fee anyway