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dany612 said:
That's what he gets for calling the next generation console 'Wii U'. Seriously, it's horrible.

It has been in the works, but maybe no one paid attention.

First, they had the DSi.

Second, they had the Wii

Now it is U.   There is something going on here, that apparently no one noticed.



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Iwata will get replaced when he can't get Nintendo to rise back from its falling business. Whatever happens in the next few years could paint the Iwata's future

Anyway look at the bright side Nintendo is still making some good games!



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gumby_trucker said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:

I think this is a purely semantic misunderstanding, because that is precisely what I meant by "quality" as opposed to "quantity" which is usually used in reference to medicine and other such things. Entertainment makes your life more fun/interesting/whatever, which is why I said it was nonessential, unlike medicine, law-enforcement, supplying food and water etc.

I did not mean it as a moral reference, and I certainly do not believe entertainment should enforce certain moral values over others.


Well in that context, making games that please the customers is the way to go, not being "original" or "creative" because the artist wants to be and doesn't care what the customer thinks.

as long as the artist can make a living, he's entitled to do whatever he wants. Artists are people too, there's no reason why your or my enjoyment should be more important than anybody else's.


They get the enjoyment through our money and the satisfaction of a job well done. Art still has to be bought, and last I checked, who gives the money calls the shots.

That's actually how it's been throughout history. Art commisioned by patrons was made to their specs, not to what the artist wanted. Michelangelo only wanted to sculpt, but he took the money given to pain the Sisteen Chapel (and gave us perhaps the most iconic image of the Abrahamic God ever).

The customers pay money for the art. The artist doesn't pay us to enjoy the art. By the simple logic there, it's wrong to assume the artist gets to call the shots and we are expected to pay for it.



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richardhutnik said:
dany612 said:
That's what he gets for calling the next generation console 'Wii U'. Seriously, it's horrible.

It has been in the works, but maybe no one paid attention.

First, they had the DSi.

Second, they had the Wii

Now it is U.   There is something going on here, that apparently no one noticed.

DS lite-DSi Wii-Wii U

I see how the consumer could possibly not mistake the Wii U as a simple upgrade like the DSi. Not to mention the design resemblence of the Wii. Business strategy FAIL

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LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:

I think this is a purely semantic misunderstanding, because that is precisely what I meant by "quality" as opposed to "quantity" which is usually used in reference to medicine and other such things. Entertainment makes your life more fun/interesting/whatever, which is why I said it was nonessential, unlike medicine, law-enforcement, supplying food and water etc.

I did not mean it as a moral reference, and I certainly do not believe entertainment should enforce certain moral values over others.


Well in that context, making games that please the customers is the way to go, not being "original" or "creative" because the artist wants to be and doesn't care what the customer thinks.

as long as the artist can make a living, he's entitled to do whatever he wants. Artists are people too, there's no reason why your or my enjoyment should be more important than anybody else's.


They get the enjoyment through our money and the satisfaction of a job well done. Art still has to be bought, and last I checked, who gives the money calls the shots.

That's actually how it's been throughout history. Art commisioned by patrons was made to their specs, not to what the artist wanted. Michelangelo only wanted to sculpt, but he took the money given to pain the Sisteen Chapel (and gave us perhaps the most iconic image of the Abrahamic God ever).

The customers pay money for the art. The artist doesn't pay us to enjoy the art. By the simple logic there, it's wrong to assume the artist gets to call the shots and we are expected to pay for it.

I never said that. I said that as long as the artist can make a living he can do whatever he wants. If he's making a living that means there are enough people out there enjoying his current work and willing to pay for it. Those might not be the same people who enjoyed his previous works, it doesn't matter - money is money.

If you are going to bring up Michelangelo and the Sistine Chapel as an example of "the proper way of doing things", you might as well renounce capitalism and democracy in the same breath. I don't have to remind you that during the 15th and early 16th centuries, not only did the Roman Catholic church control every form of expression, from painting and sculpting to music and song, it also controlled the flow of money and many of the means of production. In other words, there wasn't a free market! If you wanted to provide a nonessential service, you worked for the church, or you didn't work at all. That's why it's a terrible analogy.

If you want to argue that Michelangelo did his best work because of the oppression he was subject to and not despite it, and that the ends justified the means in his case, then you must also believe that your own personal comfort and well-being are somehow more valuable to the world than his.



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oniyide said:
gumby_trucker said:
oniyide said:

isnt that whay they did with Wii??


who did they buy this gen? as far as I know only NdCube...Monolith is a last gen investment and Retro even earlier than that.

i was thinking more in the lines of doing their own thing

Nintendo always does their own thing but they should buy up some developers so that they can sustain a constant stream of games to fill out all the gaps on their own. And if other developers want to fallow then they are welcome



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

"I said that as long as the artist can make a living he can do whatever he wants."

That's not how it works. Making a living is pleasing the customers/patrons (the main difference being that you couldn't just ignore or shrug off the patrons). Again, historically, artists did NOT do just what they wanted. Not if they wanted steady income, or for their works to last.



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LordTheNightKnight said:

"I said that as long as the artist can make a living he can do whatever he wants."

That's not how it works. Making a living is pleasing the customers/patrons (the main difference being that you couldn't just ignore or shrug off the patrons). Again, historically, artists did NOT do just what they wanted. Not if they wanted steady income, or for their works to last.

yeah, well like I said: you're welcome to go back to the 15th century if it suits you, I'd rather stay here with my half-assed Nintendo games and my underground sewage systems.



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Roma said:
oniyide said:
gumby_trucker said:
oniyide said:

isnt that whay they did with Wii??


who did they buy this gen? as far as I know only NdCube...Monolith is a last gen investment and Retro even earlier than that.

i was thinking more in the lines of doing their own thing

Nintendo always does their own thing but they should buy up some developers so that they can sustain a constant stream of games to fill out all the gaps on their own. And if other developers want to fallow then they are welcome

true,  but IMHO i dont see that happening, Ninty is not known for doing that, this is one thing they should copy the others on