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mai said:

mrstickball said:

They haven't attacked Tripoli, eh?

Did I say that, no? Read carefully.

mrstickball said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qnvj6MEbC4&feature=player_embedded

Was it supposed to prove smth to someone? Sorry, didn't get the message. Some random youtube video, I've seen dozens of them on the discussed matter. They're more or less indentical to each other - armed monkeys screaming "Allah, Akbar" and shooting god knows where. Want to see footage of real urban assault?

....You realize they (rebels, not spec-ops) were storming one of Gaddafi's compounds in Tripoli, right?

What proof do you have of spec ops operating in Tripoli? There are litterally hundreds of reports stating that the rebels took the city, with no mention of any sort of special forces. Incredible claims require incredible proofs, and I am asking for some sort of proof that you can provide that either country has boots on the ground in Tripoli that led to them capturing the city.



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Probably be the end of Libya in a few years. The only reason Libya is a country is because Italy wanted it this way I expect it to become 2 or more different countries in the past.

Libya getting free of Gaddafi will not change much to world except that we can now get more oil and the prices for oil are already decreasing.



 

RageBot said:

Israel and Palestine are... tiny, compared to the size of Lybia/Egypt, the Sinai desert that is a mere part of Egypt is almost double the size of the entirety of Israel :P

And as I said in other threads, there will only be peace between the Palestinians and Israel when there's no more religon, extremist jews (a lot of the settlers) don't have any desire for peace, and would only like to kill every Arab, while there are still a lof of extremists amogn the Palestinians who want nothing but the complete destruction of Israel.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NachrichtenHeute/tabid/178/nid/22914/language/en-US/Default.aspx

I agree with you in that the country needs to go secular, but also the name of the country needs to be changed to something like, say, "Republic of Canaan", its old name. A two state solution IMO will never work.

As far as I go, I'm only opposed to the government/state itself, not the Jews. Really, I would LOVE to see the issue solved with no violence or with one side getting the longer end of the stick...but I sense dark days are ahead...maybe in like a few years or so.

And yeah, I heard about the Eilat attack and the following death of the 3 Egyptian police. Caused a huge uproar in Egypt. It's already difficult enough when the Egyptians already have so much on their hands and the Israelis are facing their own protests.

 

Speaking of Eilat: While I was in Jordan this Summer, I could see it from Aqaba when we went on the yacht ride. Looks nice, even though it was from a distance.



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So despite Mohammad asking the rebels for protection, Khamis Al-Gaddafi takes his brother Mohammad away and smuggles away in some hidden area of Libya...


...sometimes, there's just no reasoning with idiots.



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Evidently almost everyone here has a very optimistic view of the Libyan war and it's reasons though I would argue a highly misguided one.
I try to use a variety of different sources and always do as much research as I can before forming an opinion.

After being lied to by our leaders (in the west) continuously about the reasons for going to war and breaking a multitude of laws I have become skeptical to a degree.

I have observed over the last couple of decades a pattern in the build up to wars that have been launched by the US/NATO. Iraq was a great example of how a propaganda campaign was launched using blatant lies including Weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq's supposed links to Al-Qaeda. And when the lies are revealed they are conveniently swept under the rug and a new excuses are given like spreading democracy.

I could go on forever but I will just quickly say that in regards to Libya I believe that it is a western backed operation and a hostile takeover of a sovereign country whose only crime was to have a nationally owned central bank, and a desire to form an African currency and shed it's reliance on the dollar.

I don't believe that it's a coincidence that only a short time after announcing plans to introduce the Gold Dinar currency that a rebellion quickly followed which was supposedly fueled by a desire for freedom. A point of interest is that one of the first things the rebel council did was to form a private central bank. It doesn't hurt that Libya also has the largest oil reserves in Africa.

Everything I have mentioned can be easily found on the net and I encourage everyone to do a bit of research. It's not as simple as we are led to believe in the mainstream media.

just my 2 cents



 

 

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its time for Americans to rise up too 



Branko2166 said:

Evidently almost everyone here has a very optimistic view of the Libyan war and it's reasons though I would argue a highly misguided one.
I try to use a variety of different sources and always do as much research as I can before forming an opinion.

After being lied to by our leaders (in the west) continuously about the reasons for going to war and breaking a multitude of laws I have become skeptical to a degree.

I have observed over the last couple of decades a pattern in the build up to wars that have been launched by the US/NATO. Iraq was a great example of how a propaganda campaign was launched using blatant lies including Weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq's supposed links to Al-Qaeda. And when the lies are revealed they are conveniently swept under the rug and a new excuses are given like spreading democracy.

I could go on forever but I will just quickly say that in regards to Libya I believe that it is a western backed operation and a hostile takeover of a sovereign country whose only crime was to have a nationally owned central bank, and a desire to form an African currency and shed it's reliance on the dollar.

I don't believe that it's a coincidence that only a short time after announcing plans to introduce the Gold Dinar currency that a rebellion quickly followed which was supposedly fueled by a desire for freedom. A point of interest is that one of the first things the rebel council did was to form a private central bank. It doesn't hurt that Libya also has the largest oil reserves in Africa.

Everything I have mentioned can be easily found on the net and I encourage everyone to do a bit of research. It's not as simple as we are led to believe in the mainstream media.

just my 2 cents

And that is why as I said earlier the Libyans need to be smart about this and not let the foreign intervention be a loophole to get a hold of the country.



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Lyrikalstylez said:
its time for Americans to rise up too ;-|

Considering how quickly the economies in the west are falling it wouldn't surprise me to see a number of huge protests and possible revolts in several countries.

Corruption will inevitably breed contempt and insubordination by the people. It may take a while but it is a cycle repeated time and again throughout history.



 

 

Branko2166 said:

Evidently almost everyone here has a very optimistic view of the Libyan war and it's reasons though I would argue a highly misguided one.
I try to use a variety of different sources and always do as much research as I can before forming an opinion.

After being lied to by our leaders (in the west) continuously about the reasons for going to war and breaking a multitude of laws I have become skeptical to a degree.

I have observed over the last couple of decades a pattern in the build up to wars that have been launched by the US/NATO. Iraq was a great example of how a propaganda campaign was launched using blatant lies including Weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq's supposed links to Al-Qaeda. And when the lies are revealed they are conveniently swept under the rug and a new excuses are given like spreading democracy.

I could go on forever but I will just quickly say that in regards to Libya I believe that it is a western backed operation and a hostile takeover of a sovereign country whose only crime was to have a nationally owned central bank, and a desire to form an African currency and shed it's reliance on the dollar.

I don't believe that it's a coincidence that only a short time after announcing plans to introduce the Gold Dinar currency that a rebellion quickly followed which was supposedly fueled by a desire for freedom. A point of interest is that one of the first things the rebel council did was to form a private central bank. It doesn't hurt that Libya also has the largest oil reserves in Africa.

Everything I have mentioned can be easily found on the net and I encourage everyone to do a bit of research. It's not as simple as we are led to believe in the mainstream media.

just my 2 cents

I suppose the West caused the Arab spring just for the purpose of toppling Gadaffi?



Now what?

Now, NATO members will rape the country for every drop of oil they have and call it a day Even tough Lybia is celebrating right now, seeing how divided the rebels are Im afraid a new power struggle will start, possibly even a much bloodier power struggle. Lets be honest, Egypt wont have a real democratic system for a looong time, and I doubt that Lybia, a country that is far less evolved, will do better.

I know that my opinion will probably be looked down, and I will be in the minority, but IMO Gadaffi was the lesser evil here, and for a country like that, sometimes a dictator is better in the short term. They should have waited until he dies, and maybe then try and make an easier transition on their own.



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