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gamelover2000 on 18 August 2011
Allfreedom99 said:

My best guess is that PS3 sales will increase to roughtly (Edit: Between 65,000 and 80,000) in North America for a couple/few weeks then may drop slightly, but then pick up again due to Fall/ holiday time demands. (except expect a boost week of Sept 10th which is the week Resistance 3 releases).


For world wide Im guessing PS3 will increase to around (Edit: Between 185,000 and 200,000)units weekly for a few weeks and then drop a bit for a short period until Fall/ holiday demands set in. (except expect a boost week of Sept 10th which is the week Resistance 3 releases).

IMO if MS does not drop the price of the X360 they will be behind PS3 for a few weeks WW by about 60,000-80,000. Then if MS still does not drop the price they will still make gains due to the Fall time demands and will be behind around 30,000-40,000 WW on average. HOWEVER, don't forget we have some big releases for both consoles this September including Resistance 3, Gears 3, Madden (usually gives a slight boost), Fifa. So there will be a lot of sales fluctuations in September. I think the biggest boost will be Gears 3. That is by far the biggest release name in September and probably for the year in terms of Hardware boosts. Yes, Resistance is big as well but not even close to Gears 3.

I thought that after the release of Gears 2 it was clear Gears was no longer a hardware seller?



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S____M____C____C on 18 August 2011
kowenicki said:
snakenobi said:
drkohler said:
snakenobi said:
SONY will maintain 20% bump

and bigger bumps for the holiday

should easily compete with 360 in north america

KEN KUTARAGI ftw,bring him back for the PS4

she can rival Steve jobs in tech vision,and business view of kaz hirai,sony can come back

"She"? 

lol

Ken Kutaragi's horrible business decisions led to a $2b hole in the PS3 development cycle.

u have to take in what happened that time,u can just look at history and make ur own assumptions

PS3 was actually sheduled to launch in 2007 which was pushed forward because of competition from HD-DVD which would have went against blu-ray.

companies like SQUARE were developing FF XIII for PS2.u will find the screens.this is why FFXIII launched so late this gen

This changed the entire configurations of the system,original system design suggested two CELL.it would have changed the computer industry forever

also when it launched PS3 had shortages which led to slow startup of install base and by the time they got high production,the hype had gone down and so did the sales so devs backed out and people too.

Wii and 360 just didn't matter at that point in time so dodn't even argue there.PLAYSTATION brand was the biggest thing in gaming that time,as big as today's APPLE name.

SONY was also struggling with PSP piracy and devs backed out so even that changed the relationship with various devs.

GTA 4 exclusivity atm the time when rockstar promised 3 exclusives in return which never came as the gen went by,the brand's name decreased andsales affected.


He was talking about his business acumen.. 

Interesting fact. Ken  presided over a playstation division that launched a product (the PS3) that completely wiped out ALL profits made from PS1 and PS2. In other words they hadn't banked a single dollar in profit over the course of the existance of playstation when he left... thats incredible given their success.  So yeah, great businessman.

I'd say, better than you.



Allfreedom99 on 18 August 2011
gamelover2000 said:
Allfreedom99 said:

My best guess is that PS3 sales will increase to roughtly (Edit: Between 65,000 and 80,000) in North America for a couple/few weeks then may drop slightly, but then pick up again due to Fall/ holiday time demands. (except expect a boost week of Sept 10th which is the week Resistance 3 releases).


For world wide Im guessing PS3 will increase to around (Edit: Between 185,000 and 200,000)units weekly for a few weeks and then drop a bit for a short period until Fall/ holiday demands set in. (except expect a boost week of Sept 10th which is the week Resistance 3 releases).

IMO if MS does not drop the price of the X360 they will be behind PS3 for a few weeks WW by about 60,000-80,000. Then if MS still does not drop the price they will still make gains due to the Fall time demands and will be behind around 30,000-40,000 WW on average. HOWEVER, don't forget we have some big releases for both consoles this September including Resistance 3, Gears 3, Madden (usually gives a slight boost), Fifa. So there will be a lot of sales fluctuations in September. I think the biggest boost will be Gears 3. That is by far the biggest release name in September and probably for the year in terms of Hardware boosts. Yes, Resistance is big as well but not even close to Gears 3.

I thought that after the release of Gears 2 it was clear Gears was no longer a hardware seller?

According to charts there was a modest boost to Xbox 360 hardware the week that Gears of War 2 was released, but less than Halo releases. Also remember Gears of War 3 is getting its own custom console and pre sales of that seem to be doing quite well, so yes I believe there will be a rather sizeable boost to hardware sales the week of Gears 3 rlease. Especially when compared to other top games releasing this year.




snakenobi on 18 August 2011
kowenicki said:
snakenobi said:
drkohler said:
snakenobi said:
SONY will maintain 20% bump

and bigger bumps for the holiday

should easily compete with 360 in north america

KEN KUTARAGI ftw,bring him back for the PS4

she can rival Steve jobs in tech vision,and business view of kaz hirai,sony can come back

"She"? 

lol

Ken Kutaragi's horrible business decisions led to a $2b hole in the PS3 development cycle.

u have to take in what happened that time,u can just look at history and make ur own assumptions

PS3 was actually sheduled to launch in 2007 which was pushed forward because of competition from HD-DVD which would have went against blu-ray.

companies like SQUARE were developing FF XIII for PS2.u will find the screens.this is why FFXIII launched so late this gen

This changed the entire configurations of the system,original system design suggested two CELL.it would have changed the computer industry forever

also when it launched PS3 had shortages which led to slow startup of install base and by the time they got high production,the hype had gone down and so did the sales so devs backed out and people too.

Wii and 360 just didn't matter at that point in time so dodn't even argue there.PLAYSTATION brand was the biggest thing in gaming that time,as big as today's APPLE name.

SONY was also struggling with PSP piracy and devs backed out so even that changed the relationship with various devs.

GTA 4 exclusivity atm the time when rockstar promised 3 exclusives in return which never came as the gen went by,the brand's name decreased andsales affected.


He was talking about his business acumen.. 

Interesting fact. Ken  presided over a playstation division that launched a product (the PS3) that completely wiped out ALL profits made from PS1 and PS2. In other words they hadn't banked a single dollar in profit over the course of the existance of playstation when he left... thats incredible given their success.  So yeah, great businessman.


yeah but he was not the main reasoning for $2b hole,blu-ray was and SONY as a company was behind it so he could not do anything.

how did it completely wiped out all profit and why do you subject PS3 losses to the PS division as they are going to be paid by the BLU-RAY division of the company

you don't know what profits PS made,where they went and what they are making right now.how they are gonna be made

PS has made ton more money than showed,its just that SONY keeps reinvesting a whole ton of it.it isn't like a business which earn money that just gets eaten up by investors as that would be fatal to the company in the long term.

if you look at the finances starting PS3 launch,SONY lost around $7billion(this is the max limit,it is lower but i am giving some space).Out of this around 5 billion has been recouped by PS2,PSP,PS3 software sales and hardware.but alot of it has also been reinvested constanly in to R&D

you won't see the $7b mark as sony financial charts immediately cut it as profit reduces loss.

SONY is left with around 2.5billion loss.Which is further reduced by BLU-RAY sales.

this is the reason SONY combined all the division as it was no longer a separate division company as it was helping the other divsions of the comapny.

 

in the long term from 2006 launch which is now short term,SONY is easily profiting and future is safe.



S____M____C____C on 19 August 2011
kowenicki said:
S____M____C____C said:
kowenicki said:
snakenobi said:
drkohler said:
snakenobi said:
SONY will maintain 20% bump

and bigger bumps for the holiday

should easily compete with 360 in north america

KEN KUTARAGI ftw,bring him back for the PS4

she can rival Steve jobs in tech vision,and business view of kaz hirai,sony can come back

"She"? 

lol

Ken Kutaragi's horrible business decisions led to a $2b hole in the PS3 development cycle.

u have to take in what happened that time,u can just look at history and make ur own assumptions

PS3 was actually sheduled to launch in 2007 which was pushed forward because of competition from HD-DVD which would have went against blu-ray.

companies like SQUARE were developing FF XIII for PS2.u will find the screens.this is why FFXIII launched so late this gen

This changed the entire configurations of the system,original system design suggested two CELL.it would have changed the computer industry forever

also when it launched PS3 had shortages which led to slow startup of install base and by the time they got high production,the hype had gone down and so did the sales so devs backed out and people too.

Wii and 360 just didn't matter at that point in time so dodn't even argue there.PLAYSTATION brand was the biggest thing in gaming that time,as big as today's APPLE name.

SONY was also struggling with PSP piracy and devs backed out so even that changed the relationship with various devs.

GTA 4 exclusivity atm the time when rockstar promised 3 exclusives in return which never came as the gen went by,the brand's name decreased andsales affected.


He was talking about his business acumen.. 

Interesting fact. Ken  presided over a playstation division that launched a product (the PS3) that completely wiped out ALL profits made from PS1 and PS2. In other words they hadn't banked a single dollar in profit over the course of the existance of playstation when he left... thats incredible given their success.  So yeah, great businessman.

I'd say, better than you.

lol... perhaps... but what a juvenile response.

But I have been running a company for 5 years... made a hefty profit each and everyone.  How about you?

Student, but I'll do alright.

No doubt you've done very well for yourself and you obviously know how business works, but you can't really question Ken's business accumen. I mean, PlayStation has been incredibly successful in many, many ways, even if profits have been significantly damaged because of the PS3. 



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gamelover2000 on 19 August 2011
Allfreedom99 said:
gamelover2000 said:
Allfreedom99 said:

My best guess is that PS3 sales will increase to roughtly (Edit: Between 65,000 and 80,000) in North America for a couple/few weeks then may drop slightly, but then pick up again due to Fall/ holiday time demands. (except expect a boost week of Sept 10th which is the week Resistance 3 releases).


For world wide Im guessing PS3 will increase to around (Edit: Between 185,000 and 200,000)units weekly for a few weeks and then drop a bit for a short period until Fall/ holiday demands set in. (except expect a boost week of Sept 10th which is the week Resistance 3 releases).

IMO if MS does not drop the price of the X360 they will be behind PS3 for a few weeks WW by about 60,000-80,000. Then if MS still does not drop the price they will still make gains due to the Fall time demands and will be behind around 30,000-40,000 WW on average. HOWEVER, don't forget we have some big releases for both consoles this September including Resistance 3, Gears 3, Madden (usually gives a slight boost), Fifa. So there will be a lot of sales fluctuations in September. I think the biggest boost will be Gears 3. That is by far the biggest release name in September and probably for the year in terms of Hardware boosts. Yes, Resistance is big as well but not even close to Gears 3.

I thought that after the release of Gears 2 it was clear Gears was no longer a hardware seller?

According to charts there was a modest boost to Xbox 360 hardware the week that Gears of War 2 was released, but less than Halo releases. Also remember Gears of War 3 is getting its own custom console and pre sales of that seem to be doing quite well, so yes I believe there will be a rather sizeable boost to hardware sales the week of Gears 3 rlease. Especially when compared to other top games releasing this year.

Just because the lack of quality concerning exclusive content a game's HW boost will not be different, a constant supply of good games should create console sales and fewer good games should make the console sales decrease.



Currently playing: MAG, Heavy Rain, Infamous

 

Getting Plat trophies for: Heavy Rain, Infamous, RE5,  Burnout and GOW collection once I get it.

 

Allfreedom99 on 19 August 2011
gamelover2000 said:
Allfreedom99 said:
gamelover2000 said:
Allfreedom99 said:

My best guess is that PS3 sales will increase to roughtly (Edit: Between 65,000 and 80,000) in North America for a couple/few weeks then may drop slightly, but then pick up again due to Fall/ holiday time demands. (except expect a boost week of Sept 10th which is the week Resistance 3 releases).


For world wide Im guessing PS3 will increase to around (Edit: Between 185,000 and 200,000)units weekly for a few weeks and then drop a bit for a short period until Fall/ holiday demands set in. (except expect a boost week of Sept 10th which is the week Resistance 3 releases).

IMO if MS does not drop the price of the X360 they will be behind PS3 for a few weeks WW by about 60,000-80,000. Then if MS still does not drop the price they will still make gains due to the Fall time demands and will be behind around 30,000-40,000 WW on average. HOWEVER, don't forget we have some big releases for both consoles this September including Resistance 3, Gears 3, Madden (usually gives a slight boost), Fifa. So there will be a lot of sales fluctuations in September. I think the biggest boost will be Gears 3. That is by far the biggest release name in September and probably for the year in terms of Hardware boosts. Yes, Resistance is big as well but not even close to Gears 3.

I thought that after the release of Gears 2 it was clear Gears was no longer a hardware seller?

According to charts there was a modest boost to Xbox 360 hardware the week that Gears of War 2 was released, but less than Halo releases. Also remember Gears of War 3 is getting its own custom console and pre sales of that seem to be doing quite well, so yes I believe there will be a rather sizeable boost to hardware sales the week of Gears 3 rlease. Especially when compared to other top games releasing this year.

Just because the lack of quality concerning exclusive content a game's HW boost will not be different, a constant supply of good games should create console sales and fewer good games should make the console sales decrease.

Look at the Halo franchise. Halo is a big reason the original Xbox stayed alive and did decently for being MS's first console. Most games the Xbox had the PS2 had as well, but the PS2 sold WAY more, because it had more BIG name exclusive content. Halo is the golden child of the Xbox brand. When you think of Xbox 360 you immediately think of really big household names like Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza along with some other ones. When you think of PS3 you immediately think of Gran Turismo, Uncharted, God of War, and LBP along with a slew of other ones. In the first couple of years of this console gen it appeared that Xbox 360 had more interesting exclusives than PS3. The X360 was more attractive due to lower price and better exclusives, so it was selling better. Now it has changed and Sony seems to have more exclusives along with new ones they are announcing.  It used to be that Sony was THEE dominant hardcore gaming console back last gen with the PS2, because they had many Huge exclusives like, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, and now those brand names are no longer exclusive to PS3.

So exclusive content does have a significant impact on hardware sales. I think without the Halo franchise (or one that was very successful) the original xbox would be all but dead in the water, because people would say even moreso that the Xbox has nothing different to offer from PS2. Imagine if Halo and Gears of War franchises didn't even exist on Xbox 360. X360 sales would not be what they are today, because everyone would just say, "Oh well I might as well buy a PS3, because X360 has nothing different to offer me." The only exclusive that PS3 has that is on tier with Halo and Gears brand recognition is Gran Turismo. Uncharted is getting closer, but not there yet.Im not in any way claiming that PS3 exclusive titles are bad. In fact I think PS3 has some bad ass exclusive titles that are very fun to play.  I just think that X360 has had a couple of exclusive game brand names that have reached a high level of popularity. PS3 has a lot of very popular exclusives but has not yet had any besides GT that match the brand name recognition of Halo and Gears. Just look at the some sales of their biggest franchises:

PS3:

Gran Turismo 5: 6.42 million

Metal Gear Solid 4 GOTP: 5.25 million (Metal gear brand no longer exclusive)

Uncharted 2 UT: 4.73 Million

Little Big Planet: 4.46 million

GT 5 Prologue: 4.11

 

Xbox 360:

Halo 3: 11.3 million

Halo Reach: 8.6 million

Gears of War 2: 6.11 million

Gears of War: 5.95 million

Halo 3: ODST: 5.89

Forza  3: 4.9 million

 

 When a Halo or Gears game releases it boosts x360 console sales quite sizeably. The same can be said for PS3 console sales when a GT, or Uncharted game releases.

So in conclusion out of the above BIG name game franchises the only one releasing this September is a Gears title. Therefore x360 console sales will surge during that time. Resistance 3 will be popular and will boost PS3 console sales upon its release, but will not be near the boost of x360 consoles sales when Gears 3 releases. Its just for the fact that Gears of War is a much bigger brand name to the gaming community.