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Could the human race take on an alien invasion?

Yes, we'd have those ali... 13 13.27%
 
No, they'd either enslave us or kill us all! 75 76.53%
 
It would be too close to call! 9 9.18%
 
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Zkuq on 17 August 2011

Of course we could. But that doesn't mean we could win.

If an alien race capable of interstellar or even intergalactic travel were to attack us, we'd be very much screwed. Many other seemingly futuristic technologies seem to be coming true, maybe even during my lifetime. However, space travel doesn't seem to be happening any time soon, which leads me to believe that advanced space travel requires some very advanced technology, so if an alien race were to attack us, they'd probably have weapons far more powerful than what we have now or even in a hundred years. I don't see how we could possibly stand a chance.



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drkohler on 17 August 2011
ASStronaut said:
Heavenly_King said:
Aliens most probably come here to kick our a$$ when they realize we have the tech to colonize other planets.

Nice post.

Most likely they just want to clear the way for their hyperspace path. So keep your towels ready...



sapphi_snake on 17 August 2011
scottie said:
We wouldn't stand a chance in a conventional war.

Their technology in general would be so far ahead of ours to allow inter solar system travel.

We are assuming that they are militaristic enough to simply attack us as opposed to diplomacising. I think it very likely that such an aggressive species will have put a similar amount of their scientific research into warfare as we did. Therefore, their technology will be vastly superior.

If they came to wipe us out, we would die, with the possible exception of disease killing off the invaders a la war of the worlds. If they came to enslave us, we would probably eventually win/force them to give up.

Diplomacising? Do humans diplomacise with forest animals before cutting down a forest? If they're that advanced, what makes you think they won't view us as simply an inferior species, and do what we do to the animals we consider to be 'inferior' to us (zoos, funting for sport, circuses, eating us etc.)?

And it's unlikely that a resolution like in War of the Worlds would happen in real life. It is a deus ex machina after all. If the aliens are that advanced, I'm sure they'd study the atmosphere and the environment before exposing themselves to it. Heck, we humans would do the same too. 



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superchunk on 17 August 2011
snakenobi said:
Cirio said:
snakenobi said:

aliens don't exist and never will

we are the only ones in the universe

even if aliens existed,they would have a different dimension

they should have developed around the same time as earth did from the beginning of the universe and have the same kind of materials as us to even realize that they are there

Define "alien". What if there are plants or bacteria that exist in another planet? Those would be considered alien.

OT: No because I doubt there is another life form out there that is intelligent like us.

they can't be as they would have to have the same conditions as earth and also same time from the BIG BANG to develop

 

yeah there could be one way if a planet on which life was there,in some way life went from this planet to another planet then it could exist.like a plnet getting destroyed and astroid of the bacteria from same go and settle on different planets

then it can exist like different races form on earth

Your statements are so full of crap and easily contradicted by studying the vast differences of life on our own planet.

1) 99.9% of life found on this planet is carbon based. However, we have found life we thought couldn't exist in deep sea sulfur vents that are sulfur based.

2) Big Bang started at a single point and spread out over an endless vacuum of space. This means that solar systems/planets closest to the point of origin would be vastly older than systems further out. I would put a very large wager that we are not near the center meaning that there are countless societies that exist that are far older and more advanced that us.

3) Additionally, looking at the history of our own planet... humans from the America's were vastly behind in regards to technology and weapons as compared to humans in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East when they came into contact. Why would you think life forms on different planets would be similar?

4) There is WAY too much out there for it to be remotely conceivable that Earth is the only planet with not only life, but intelligent life. If I was given trillions of trillions of dollars, I could guarantee a winning ticket in every lottery game in this world.

5) Even from a religious perspective it seems illogical that a omnipresent God would create such a large canvas to only put life on one part of one pixel.

The only real argument anyone can make is whether or not anyone can develop a capability to travel across the great distances between star systems and galaxies in the first place.



sapphi_snake on 17 August 2011
superchunk said:

Your statements are so full of crap and easily contradicted by studying the vast differences of life on our own planet.

1) 99.9% of life found on this planet is carbon based. However, we have found life we thought couldn't exist in deep sea sulfur vents that are sulfur based.

2) Big Bang started at a single point and spread out over an endless vacuum of space. This means that solar systems/planets closest to the point of origin would be vastly older than systems further out. I would put a very large wager that we are not near the center meaning that there are countless societies that exist that are far older and more advanced that us.

3) Additionally, looking at the history of our own planet... humans from the America's were vastly behind in regards to technology and weapons as compared to humans in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East when they came into contact. Why would you think life forms on different planets would be similar?

4) There is WAY too much out there for it to be remotely conceivable that Earth is the only planet with not only life, but intelligent life. If I was given trillions of trillions of dollars, I could guarantee a winning ticket in every lottery game in this world.

5) Even from a religious perspective it seems illogical that a omnipresent God would create such a large canvas to only put life on one part of one pixel.

The only real argument anyone can make is whether or not anyone can develop a capability to travel across the great distances between star systems and galaxies in the first place.

Great post! Especially point 2, which I wanted to address myself.



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o_O.Q on 17 August 2011
snakenobi said:
o_O.Q said:
snakenobi said:

aliens don't exist and never will

we are the only ones in the universe

even if aliens existed,they would have a different dimension

they should have developed around the same time as earth did from the beginning of the universe and have the same kind of materials as us to even realize that they are there


why do you make the assumption that all life must be composed of the same materials and must undergo the same conditions to develope?

it doesn't

the point u are not understanding is that how much time does one life take to exist

 

for that you have to understand einstein time theory

 

also when a life is formed,we can only come in contact or perceive our world.we just wouldn't understand other life form as they would have a totally different perception of the world.

kinda like dogs,they are colorblinded.so they do not perceive the world in the same way.thats the diversity on our planet itself.

scenario based example: totally different conditions for evolution will make your perception totally different.its like some advanced aliens developed a technology and placed it on earth(example gold)we think of it as just a material as we cannot yet comprehend how it works

 

read about conciousness and quantum physiscs


einstein is not omnipotent, he is not god... all he has done is put forth his ideas on how some things are based on knowledge available in his era which for all we know may be proven wrong in this one or the next... its never a good idea to take these theories this seriously

"also when a life is formed,we can only come in contact or perceive our world.we just wouldn't understand other life form as they would have a totally different perception of the world."

i'm not sure about the point you're getting at here... as you mentioned yes ever living being percieves things differently, but i don't understand how that correlates with the possibilty of other life existing or not

"its like some advanced aliens developed a technology and placed it on earth(example gold)we think of it as just a material as we cannot yet comprehend how it works"

well that depends on if the aliens are using materials that we are unfamiliar with or if they have somehow altered know materials to make new ones suitable for some task... but its not necessarily set in stone that aliens would come from planets with materials completely different from our own, but i must agree that its very unlikely that aliens would follow the same kind of progression we have in terms of technological developement

 

heres a link to an object that was said to have broken off of a ufo, they said that it seems to be a metal alloy for more advanced than anything we are currently working with :

http://ufoevidence.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=FACTS&action=display&num=1057372945

this could very well be bs or a mistake but its an interesting story and its related to what you said earlier on alien materials



drkohler on 17 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
superchunk said:

2) Big Bang started at a single point and spread out over an endless vacuum of space. This means that solar systems/planets closest to the point of origin would be vastly older than systems further out.

Great post! Especially point 2, which I wanted to address myself.

Please do so. But correctly, most of 2) is wrong.



sapphi_snake on 17 August 2011
drkohler said:
sapphi_snake said:
superchunk said:

2) Big Bang started at a single point and spread out over an endless vacuum of space. This means that solar systems/planets closest to the point of origin would be vastly older than systems further out.

Great post! Especially point 2, which I wanted to address myself.

Please do so. But correctly, most of 2) is wrong.

Why don't you address it yourself? I mean, you're the one who has something to add, appearently.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 17 August 2011
snakenobi said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
snakenobi said:

aliens don't exist and never will

we are the only ones in the universe

even if aliens existed,they would have a different dimension

they should have developed around the same time as earth did from the beginning of the universe and have the same kind of materials as us to even realize that they are there

so your saying theres no way in hell its possible for there to be an advanced race of something else other then humans out there? come o nobi you know were not alone. wait! your apart of the cover up airn't you?

ot: no. we'd die a painful anal probing death.

 

they can't be as they would have to have the same conditions as earth and also same time from the BIG BANG to develop

 

yeah there could be one way if a planet on which life was there,in some way life went from this planet to another planet then it could exist.like a plnet getting destroyed and astroid of the bacteria from same go and settle on different planets

then it can exist like different races form on earth

 

 

 

it doesn't

the point u are not understanding is that how much time does one life take to exist

 

for that you have to understand einstein time theory

 

also when a life is formed,we can only come in contact or perceive our world.we just wouldn't understand other life form as they would have a totally different perception of the world.

kinda like dogs,they are colorblinded.so they do not perceive the world in the same way.thats the diversity on our planet itself.

scenario based example: totally different conditions for evolution will make your perception totally different.its like some advanced aliens developed a technology and placed it on earth(example gold)we think of it as just a material as we cannot yet comprehend how it works

 

read about conciousness and quantum physiscs

nope. i don't think so.

nothing has to be the same there for it won't. the building blocks of life and genectics on other planets don't have to be the same.

its not something mankind can explain, cause we don't know it all.

how long did it take to kind that other planet in our solarsystem? they found it last yr. we know earth and nothing past our moon.



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superchunk on 17 August 2011
drkohler said:
sapphi_snake said:
superchunk said:

2) Big Bang started at a single point and spread out over an endless vacuum of space. This means that solar systems/planets closest to the point of origin would be vastly older than systems further out.

Great post! Especially point 2, which I wanted to address myself.

Please do so. But correctly, most of 2) is wrong.


I like learning new things... please point out what is wrong. I wrote it in a general sense as I know in everything there are extremes, however, if I'm wrong about these generalities of Big Bang, let me know.