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blkfish92 said:
chocoloco said:
blkfish92 said:
This is a great question as people are so blind and stupid they just vote for whatever candidate, for example if a person's family always voted republican that person will vote republican too without any actual knowledge of what the candidates views are.

Foolish words my dad votes republican and all his three children vote democrat or green party. Not everybody is a follower.


You're right not everyone is a follower, but the majority is, why do you think every state is listed as democratic or republican? That's because the majority vote the same as everyone else while you may get a few people like you and myself whom aren't brainwashed. 

Have you actually looked at election results?  Pretty much all of these 'Red' and 'Blue' states have gone with different parties in the last 40 or so years.  Minnesota hasn't voted Republican (for the presidential election) since 1972, yet in 2008 McCain got 44% of the vote.  It was even closer in 2000 and 2004.  Their voter turnout is generally between 50 and 60%.  It wouldn't take much to change the results of an election.  The same can be said of plenty of other states.

The closest you can get to a majority is the people who don't vote, and that is in the presidential elections.  Voter turnout has fallen under 40% since the 70's for midterm elections.  Without going in depth into voter turnout for each state, it seems the only state where Obama or McCain received less than 30% of the vote was in Hawaii where McCain received 27% (also DC, which was truly a landslide).  Even if we're generous and say Hawaii had a 60% voter turnout, it would only take 70% of non-voters to turn the election.  Now getting 70% of that group to vote for a specific person wouldn't be easy, but it goes to show that even the most tilted state can be turned if people would just vote.  Let's look at another state that is pretty much considered 'Red'.  If we assume the same 60% voter turnout for Texas, it would only take 17.8% of the non-voters (which would be 7.12% of the overall voting age population) to turn the election in Obama's favor.

Anyways, the moral of this post is that if you don't vote, don't bitch about the results.  Even if you hate both main candidates, there are enough people who don't vote that they could elect a third party candidate.  Is this realistic?  Not really, but a third party candidate getting maybe 20% of the vote will make a much bigger impact than not voting.



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Yakuzaice said:
blkfish92 said:
chocoloco said:
blkfish92 said:
This is a great question as people are so blind and stupid they just vote for whatever candidate, for example if a person's family always voted republican that person will vote republican too without any actual knowledge of what the candidates views are.

Foolish words my dad votes republican and all his three children vote democrat or green party. Not everybody is a follower.


You're right not everyone is a follower, but the majority is, why do you think every state is listed as democratic or republican? That's because the majority vote the same as everyone else while you may get a few people like you and myself whom aren't brainwashed. 

Have you actually looked at election results?  Pretty much all of these 'Red' and 'Blue' states have gone with different parties in the last 40 or so years.  Minnesota hasn't voted Republican (for the presidential election) since 1972, yet in 2008 McCain got 44% of the vote.  It was even closer in 2000 and 2004.  Their voter turnout is generally between 50 and 60%.  It wouldn't take much to change the results of an election.  The same can be said of plenty of other states.

The closest you can get to a majority is the people who don't vote, and that is in the presidential elections.  Voter turnout has fallen under 40% since the 70's for midterm elections.  Without going in depth into voter turnout for each state, it seems the only state where Obama or McCain received less than 30% of the vote was in Hawaii where McCain received 27% (also DC, which was truly a landslide).  Even if we're generous and say Hawaii had a 60% voter turnout, it would only take 70% of non-voters to turn the election.  Now getting 70% of that group to vote for a specific person wouldn't be easy, but it goes to show that even the most tilted state can be turned if people would just vote.  Let's look at another state that is pretty much considered 'Red'.  If we assume the same 60% voter turnout for Texas, it would only take 17.8% of the non-voters (which would be 7.12% of the overall voting age population) to turn the election in Obama's favor.

Anyways, the moral of this post is that if you don't vote, don't bitch about the results.  Even if you hate both main candidates, there are enough people who don't vote that they could elect a third party candidate.  Is this realistic?  Not really, but a third party candidate getting maybe 20% of the vote will make a much bigger impact than not voting.


I wish that were true, but I'd prefer a rebelious act that actually accomplishes something, don't get me wrong I know where you're coming from.



           

Kasz216 said:

I vote so I can complain about the guy who gets elected.

If you don't vote... well you don't have any right to complain because you haven't even attempt the smallest thing that could be done for change.

Are you of all people trying to restrict free speech?



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

I vote so I can complain about the guy who gets elected.

If you don't vote... well you don't have any right to complain because you haven't even attempt the smallest thing that could be done for change.

Are you of all people trying to restrict free speech?

I didn't say you CAN'T complain.  I'm just saying you don't have the right to complain.

It's like someone complaing their broke and can't go to the movies because they spent all their money on clothing.

It's your own fault, and you didn't even remotely attempt to try and stop the situation from happening.

It's like people who think the world needs to go green but aren't  vegetarians.  When it is by far the largest way to cut down on greenhouse gas emissions any one person can do.



People vote to feel they have the power to change the destiny of their countries... I vote bs the election center is just around 20m away from my house...



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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

I vote so I can complain about the guy who gets elected.

If you don't vote... well you don't have any right to complain because you haven't even attempt the smallest thing that could be done for change.

Are you of all people trying to restrict free speech?

I didn't say you CAN'T complain.  I'm just saying you don't have the right to complain.

It's like someone complaing their broke and can't go to the movies because they spent all their money on clothing.

It's your own fault, and you didn't even remotely attempt to try and stop the situation from happening.

It's like people who think the world needs to go green but aren't  vegetarians.  When it is by far the largest way to cut down on greenhouse gas emissions any one person can do.

But you do have a RIGHT to complain (free speech and all ). I'm well aware of what you wanted to say, was just making fun of your choice of words.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

so nothing can get done



"It's not about money... it's about sending a message."

The quote doesn't fit entirely, but it's still awesome and get's the point across (hopefully). If you're sitting at home saying "Fuck this shit, it'll change nothing.", then the message you're sending to everyone is "I don't care about the government, let's just see what happens.".
You might be saying something else, but if you can't be bothered to dedicate a minimum of effort by at least voting blank, your message is basically "I don't care.". If you vote blank, your message becomes "I don't like what I'm seeing, and I'm not afraid to prove it.".

I haven't voted blank myself, but danish politics are getting more and more fucked up, to the point where I think the next election after the one this year will get a blank vote from me, unless things change.



The two party system in USA is really not that strictly defined. Just look at what the Tea Party has done. They have created an organized grass root movement that has influenced American politics greatly the past year. Of course, they seem to want to run the country into the toilet, but they have organized to get their own marginal views more weight.

There is nothing keeping any of you from doing the same. Find a group that supports your view, organize and coordinate your efforts and if there are enough like minded people you will have a voice in congress. If instead you feel your views are better represented by not giving a shit, then at least have the self insight to not blame the political system for your own ineptness.



If I was American I'm not sure I would vote. I don't like the two party system and even though I'm a Conservative I don't agree with many of the policies the Republican's stand for. As such if I were American I wouldn't side with either party and as such voting for either party would be stupid. Now if I liked and agreed with one leader over the other I would vote for that leader but not for the party.

Example I agree with Obama's take on health care and social services in the US. As such I would have voted for him, nothing to do with his party just I like him. I would never vote for a party in the US, because the two party system is screwed.

However I live in Canada and their are about 5 active parties all holding seats. NDP, Conservative , Liberal , Green Party, Bloc Quebecois. As such I support the Conservative Party because they fit my political beliefs fairly well. Its not like any party control's the Government completely. Even right now the official opposition (NDP) still have to work with the Liberal's Bloc and Green's. Their is a party and leader representing everyone from Right Wing Conservative (Conservatives) to Center polticians (Liberal's) to Center/Left (Green's) left wing radical's (NDP) and even seperatists (Bloc).

I also think considering soldiers since WWI have been fighting for our countries democratic values. That millions have died even since 1812 when we kicked America's ass to give us our freedoms. That no citizen in Canada should not vote. If you enjoy our freedom's and you have an opinion but don't vote you don't deserve those freedom's or opinion.

If you whine and complain for change but don't go out and vote then really I don't give a crap what you whine or complain about. You have no right to critisize Government unless you actually voted. The good old saying "If you don't like something, do something about it" if you don't like how your Government's run, don't be a whiney little child, go out and do something about it.

If your in America vote for for a third party locally, maybe join a third party and actually become a politician pushing for change. But if nobody ever voted or did something to change Government their would be no point in democracy. If their was no point in democracy then Canada and US shouldn't exist. If you don't agree with democracy then get the heck out and let someone in who actually wants to vote.

In the US the two party system is flawed, so screwed up. So why isn't anyone doing anything about it? You could, its a democracy. All it takes is one person getting the support of the people and the whole system could be changed!



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