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Can a movement similar to fascism emerge in the US?

Yes 67 56.78%
 
No 21 17.80%
 
Not a "movement sim... 27 22.88%
 
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EdHieron said:
osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
badgenome said:
EdHieron said:

 

 

In regards to your comment that the Tea Party is hardly poor and uneducated, I guess you didn't read the statistics that Happy Squirrel posted from USA Today that said that a combined 68% of Tea Party Members had only no college or some college.  It's not as if the Tea Party is in any way a bunch of Ph. D. folks.

As for your comment that the Tea Party is hardly poor, if you look at Happy Squirrel's statistics 55% of Tea Party members make over $50,000 a year which means that 45% of them don't.

And both of these statistics go along quite well with my contention that The Tea Party is made up by quite a few rich folks that don't want to pay any more of their money in taxes to really help out the lower classes in this country and that the group is made to look much bigger than it actually is by the amount of rather uneducated (68%) poor white people (79%) that have ingrained prejudices mainly stemming from The Bible and Conservative (70%) upbringings that bias them against Obama due to his skin color.

It certainly is a substantial argument because it's true.  Sorry if the truth bites you in the butt. 

its seems rather evident that your reading comprehension is low, but. those statistic prove that they are in line with the rest of the population.

and actually they have a higher percentage of black people than the regualr republican party.

and all you are saying is they have a 70% (number pulled out of your ass) Christian up bringing, meaning they are racist, using absolutely

no evidence to back it up. i could say liberals have a 80% non religious up bringing, ingraining racial and prejudious thoughts in them.

 

and you do know Christians give more to Charities than non-religous people do, right (4x more than others)

also conservatives give 30% more to charity, while earning 5% less on average than liberals. 

so stop shitting lies all over the place


Regarding your first sentence:  What you lack the brains to come up with an original insult, Sherlock?  How weak can you get, badgenome pulled that one first.

 

Also, the 70% isn't pulled out of my rear, Dummy.  It's based on the fact that in the past November elections 70% of the Christian votes went to Tea Party and Republican Candidates, so even though USA Today failed to provide the data on how many Tea Partiers are Evangelicals or Fundamentalists ( note 70% of American Christians fall into these two misguided groups) and due to the Tea Party's oft repeated mantra that they want to put God back in everything:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI (see the number of signs in this video about the Tea Party advocating that the nation return to its false Christian roots (they must be meaning Salem, Massachusetts as the Founding Fathers had other beliefs), then they're must be quite a bit of cross-over between the two groups.

 

Also, the charities that Christians mainly give to are their churches (which should not be tax deductable donations) and really shouldn't count as charitable donations seeing how many of those tax free dollars actually go into the upkeep of their churches and into their ministers pockets (which is a real sin that these kooks make far more money than legitimate school teachers)  ather than to any real charitable operations.

 

If you remove the donations that Conservatives make to churches from the number of dollars donated to legitimate charities, then they donate far less than any other group. 

i pointed out that time and time again you fail to be able to read graphs, and the you proceed to compliment me by calling me one of the greatest detectives in literature. so thank you.

also conservatives still give more usefull things, like blood (18% more), but that must be Church blood, they must keep that for them selves and have pastors dirnk during ancient egyption ceramonies, never reaching people in need, right. and actually if you exclude Church charities (which is absolutely rediculous) liberals only out give give conservatives by <3%.

also, there is a difference between giving offerings to the Church, like during a service (which a significant portion of that goes to charity anyway, for example, during any given church service my church gives 25% of donations to living water international), and giving to a Chirch sponsored Charity, which goes directly to things like giving clothes to the poor, food, shelter, furnature to needy, thats almost exclusively Church driven, in fact the catholic church, has given more than any of your liberal instititions could dream of.

and like a said liberals are less likely to give to things that will directly impact people like the poor, and instead give to muesums and universities



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EdHieron said:
badgenome said:
EdHieron said:


I guess you also couldn't read the fact that 38% of the American general public is Moderate.  Only 22% of Tea Partiers are.

It's a group whose big issue is constraining government spending. It's hardly scandalous or surprising that they lean more conservative especially when, as I mentioned, there are far less Democrats per capita in the Tea Party than in the nation at large. Did you miss that? Maybe you were too busy discerning whether or not people you've never met are racist based on a series of questions, none of which were, "Are you a racist?"

Then again, I'm arguing with someone who thinks that a 2% greater college attendance rate and 1% lower rate of college graduation and doing postgraduate work than the general populace (all of which fall within the margin of error) renders a group woefully uneducated. I'd probably better stop.

Well, the American population itself is quite woefully uneducated.  See the fact that 90% of them actually believe in a God that there's no evidence of the existence for.

well that goesfor the rest of the world to, as the percentages is similar throughout. 

and funny, some of the greatest minds to ever live, believed in God, einstein, newton, edison, etc



HappySqurriel said:
EdHieron said:
HappySqurriel said:
EdHieron said:


Actually, those figures from USA Today very much support my position and are one of the primary sources that I've used for data to come to my conclusion (79% white, 68% are fairly uneducated  49% employed probably quite a few of those are poor whites that are employed at low rent jobs like the fast food industry and that are very much prejudiced due to being brought up on The Bible).  The only thing USA Today failed to do was list the Religious makeup by percentage of the Tea Party.  Maybe it's hard to peg down due to the fact that they're misleading about it much as they won't express the fact that they don't like Obama due to his skin color.  However, I do consider that to be an essential yet missing piece of information here.   My guess though is that far more than 50% of them are either Evangelical or Fundamentalist Christians.  Have to go now.  Back later. 


So the fact that they're a good cross section of the American public that earns more on average than the typical American implies to you that they're poor white racists?

Please answer me this question, if the Tea Party supporters are intolerant racists why are there no videos to support this claim? If progressives are so tolerant why are there so man videos of these groups making ignorant and intolerant statements posted on the web? Why do you continue to hold beliefs which are contradicted by facts and why are you so unwilling to question a worldview which has to have been spoonfed to you (probably by MSNBC)?


There actually not a very good cross section of the American public.  A good cross section would be definitely be around 50% in all areas.  The Tea Party leans heavily to the Right (70% of them being Conservatives and probably an equal amount being Evangelical).  There are hardly any moderates in the Tea Party (only 22% with Moderates actually making up 38% of the general public which throws the cross-section theory out the window) uneducated (68% of them don't have college degrees), and almost half of them make less than $50,000 a year -- you know the poor white group that are really only against Obama due to his skin color and that would really start to cause problems in this country if the Conservatives really got bold enough to cut out their medicare and other free healthcare programs, their welfare and their social security. 

On Racist Tea Party videos:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI This one certainly has images of Confederate flags being held by Tea Partiers, the number of signs stating that America is supposed to be a Christian Nation is certainly indicative of a religious bias, and the Tea Party's insistance that Obama has is a Muslem and or is not an American citizen also has definite racially motivated elements.

 

Also it appears that there's at least one truthful Tea Partier in the bunch:  http://wonkette.com/448772/kentucky-tea-party-sells-patriotic-yup-im-a-racist-fourth-of-july-t-shirts

 

Why is equating Obama to Hitler, calling him the anti-Christ, claiming he is a terrorist, or countless other forms of rhetoric "Racist" while it was completely acceptable to equate Bush to Hitler, call Bush the anti-Christ, claiming Bush was a terrorist or countless other forms of rhetoric considered entirely acceptable?

Of that list of dozens of supposedly "racist" signs you demonstrated, the vast majority of those signs were almost identical to the signs that were used on Bush, most of the remaining signs could be considered "innappropriately-Racial" rather than racist, and only a couple would be clearly racist.


Was Bush ever called a Muslim or was the country of his birth ever questioned?



EdHieron said:
HappySqurriel said:
EdHieron said:
HappySqurriel said:
EdHieron said:


Actually, those figures from USA Today very much support my position and are one of the primary sources that I've used for data to come to my conclusion (79% white, 68% are fairly uneducated  49% employed probably quite a few of those are poor whites that are employed at low rent jobs like the fast food industry and that are very much prejudiced due to being brought up on The Bible).  The only thing USA Today failed to do was list the Religious makeup by percentage of the Tea Party.  Maybe it's hard to peg down due to the fact that they're misleading about it much as they won't express the fact that they don't like Obama due to his skin color.  However, I do consider that to be an essential yet missing piece of information here.   My guess though is that far more than 50% of them are either Evangelical or Fundamentalist Christians.  Have to go now.  Back later. 


So the fact that they're a good cross section of the American public that earns more on average than the typical American implies to you that they're poor white racists?

Please answer me this question, if the Tea Party supporters are intolerant racists why are there no videos to support this claim? If progressives are so tolerant why are there so man videos of these groups making ignorant and intolerant statements posted on the web? Why do you continue to hold beliefs which are contradicted by facts and why are you so unwilling to question a worldview which has to have been spoonfed to you (probably by MSNBC)?


There actually not a very good cross section of the American public.  A good cross section would be definitely be around 50% in all areas.  The Tea Party leans heavily to the Right (70% of them being Conservatives and probably an equal amount being Evangelical).  There are hardly any moderates in the Tea Party (only 22% with Moderates actually making up 38% of the general public which throws the cross-section theory out the window) uneducated (68% of them don't have college degrees), and almost half of them make less than $50,000 a year -- you know the poor white group that are really only against Obama due to his skin color and that would really start to cause problems in this country if the Conservatives really got bold enough to cut out their medicare and other free healthcare programs, their welfare and their social security. 

On Racist Tea Party videos:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI This one certainly has images of Confederate flags being held by Tea Partiers, the number of signs stating that America is supposed to be a Christian Nation is certainly indicative of a religious bias, and the Tea Party's insistance that Obama has is a Muslem and or is not an American citizen also has definite racially motivated elements.

 

Also it appears that there's at least one truthful Tea Partier in the bunch:  http://wonkette.com/448772/kentucky-tea-party-sells-patriotic-yup-im-a-racist-fourth-of-july-t-shirts

 

Why is equating Obama to Hitler, calling him the anti-Christ, claiming he is a terrorist, or countless other forms of rhetoric "Racist" while it was completely acceptable to equate Bush to Hitler, call Bush the anti-Christ, claiming Bush was a terrorist or countless other forms of rhetoric considered entirely acceptable?

Of that list of dozens of supposedly "racist" signs you demonstrated, the vast majority of those signs were almost identical to the signs that were used on Bush, most of the remaining signs could be considered "innappropriately-Racial" rather than racist, and only a couple would be clearly racist.


Was Bush ever called a Muslim or was the country of his birth ever questioned?

no, but he was also very public about his faith, attending church regularly, unlike obama how when he did go to church went to a radical black liberation theology church, one with a socialist docterine.

and with the obscurity of obamas past especially his child hood, like going to indonessia for school (or what ever country it was), and not providing his birth certificate until Trump, combined with people who dislike his policies trying to find a way to delegitamize him.



osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
badgenome said:
EdHieron said:

 

 

In regards to your comment that the Tea Party is hardly poor and uneducated, I guess you didn't read the statistics that Happy Squirrel posted from USA Today that said that a combined 68% of Tea Party Members had only no college or some college.  It's not as if the Tea Party is in any way a bunch of Ph. D. folks.

As for your comment that the Tea Party is hardly poor, if you look at Happy Squirrel's statistics 55% of Tea Party members make over $50,000 a year which means that 45% of them don't.

And both of these statistics go along quite well with my contention that The Tea Party is made up by quite a few rich folks that don't want to pay any more of their money in taxes to really help out the lower classes in this country and that the group is made to look much bigger than it actually is by the amount of rather uneducated (68%) poor white people (79%) that have ingrained prejudices mainly stemming from The Bible and Conservative (70%) upbringings that bias them against Obama due to his skin color.

It certainly is a substantial argument because it's true.  Sorry if the truth bites you in the butt. 

its seems rather evident that your reading comprehension is low, but. those statistic prove that they are in line with the rest of the population.

and actually they have a higher percentage of black people than the regualr republican party.

and all you are saying is they have a 70% (number pulled out of your ass) Christian up bringing, meaning they are racist, using absolutely

no evidence to back it up. i could say liberals have a 80% non religious up bringing, ingraining racial and prejudious thoughts in them.

 

and you do know Christians give more to Charities than non-religous people do, right (4x more than others)

also conservatives give 30% more to charity, while earning 5% less on average than liberals. 

so stop shitting lies all over the place


Regarding your first sentence:  What you lack the brains to come up with an original insult, Sherlock?  How weak can you get, badgenome pulled that one first.

 

Also, the 70% isn't pulled out of my rear, Dummy.  It's based on the fact that in the past November elections 70% of the Christian votes went to Tea Party and Republican Candidates, so even though USA Today failed to provide the data on how many Tea Partiers are Evangelicals or Fundamentalists ( note 70% of American Christians fall into these two misguided groups) and due to the Tea Party's oft repeated mantra that they want to put God back in everything:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI (see the number of signs in this video about the Tea Party advocating that the nation return to its false Christian roots (they must be meaning Salem, Massachusetts as the Founding Fathers had other beliefs), then they're must be quite a bit of cross-over between the two groups.

 

Also, the charities that Christians mainly give to are their churches (which should not be tax deductable donations) and really shouldn't count as charitable donations seeing how many of those tax free dollars actually go into the upkeep of their churches and into their ministers pockets (which is a real sin that these kooks make far more money than legitimate school teachers)  ather than to any real charitable operations.

 

If you remove the donations that Conservatives make to churches from the number of dollars donated to legitimate charities, then they donate far less than any other group. 

i pointed out that time and time again you fail to be able to read graphs, and the you proceed to compliment me by calling me one of the greatest detectives in literature. so thank you.

also conservatives still give more usefull things, like blood (18% more), but that must be Church blood, they must keep that for them selves and have pastors dirnk during ancient egyption ceramonies, never reaching people in need, right. and actually if you exclude Church charities (which is absolutely rediculous) liberals only out give give conservatives by <3%.

also, there is a difference between giving offerings to the Church, like during a service (which a significant portion of that goes to charity anyway, for example, during any given church service my church gives 25% of donations to living water international), and giving to a Chirch sponsored Charity, which goes directly to things like giving clothes to the poor, food, shelter, furnature to needy, thats almost exclusively Church driven, in fact the catholic church, has given more than any of your liberal instititions could dream of.

and like a said liberals are less likely to give to things that will directly impact people like the poor, and instead give to muesums and universities


However, many times when churches give things to the poor, they also try to indoctrinate them into believing the gibberish that most of the church's followers believe in.  Isn't that correct?  So, in effect the churches are actually only giving in an attempt to create more followers for their religion which in turn will give more to prolong the existence of the church in the future?  And, in turn their propogating the ancient slave system that the church happens to be, so what they are actually doing is expanding the net for future attempts at fascism.

 

And actually giving to museums and universities is far more beneficial than in giving to churches because universities, unlike churches, have the ability to actually teach their students things of real importance and that might actually broaden their lives rather than entrapping them in the ancient slave system that the church happens to be.  That is certainly a much more selfless and charitable endeavor than giving to churches.



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osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
badgenome said:
EdHieron said:


I guess you also couldn't read the fact that 38% of the American general public is Moderate.  Only 22% of Tea Partiers are.

It's a group whose big issue is constraining government spending. It's hardly scandalous or surprising that they lean more conservative especially when, as I mentioned, there are far less Democrats per capita in the Tea Party than in the nation at large. Did you miss that? Maybe you were too busy discerning whether or not people you've never met are racist based on a series of questions, none of which were, "Are you a racist?"

Then again, I'm arguing with someone who thinks that a 2% greater college attendance rate and 1% lower rate of college graduation and doing postgraduate work than the general populace (all of which fall within the margin of error) renders a group woefully uneducated. I'd probably better stop.

Well, the American population itself is quite woefully uneducated.  See the fact that 90% of them actually believe in a God that there's no evidence of the existence for.

well that goesfor the rest of the world to, as the percentages is similar throughout. 

and funny, some of the greatest minds to ever live, believed in God, einstein, newton, edison, etc


They might have believed in God.  However, there is no concrete evidence to think that their believing in God meant that they believed in the Fundamentalist Christian interpretation of God.  Certainly many of the world's greatest thinkers rejected God like the 85% of scientists that are in The National Academy of Sciences right now or in other Gods The Great thinkers of Buddhism, Islam in its Golden Age, Plato, Pythagoras, Homer and many others.

And as Neil Degrasse Tyson points out in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vrpPPV_yPY ) , many times their belief in God stymied their efforts to really make far greater scientific discoveries than they did.



EdHieron said:
osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
badgenome said:
EdHieron said:

 

 

In regards to your comment that the Tea Party is hardly poor and uneducated, I guess you didn't read the statistics that Happy Squirrel posted from USA Today that said that a combined 68% of Tea Party Members had only no college or some college.  It's not as if the Tea Party is in any way a bunch of Ph. D. folks.

As for your comment that the Tea Party is hardly poor, if you look at Happy Squirrel's statistics 55% of Tea Party members make over $50,000 a year which means that 45% of them don't.

And both of these statistics go along quite well with my contention that The Tea Party is made up by quite a few rich folks that don't want to pay any more of their money in taxes to really help out the lower classes in this country and that the group is made to look much bigger than it actually is by the amount of rather uneducated (68%) poor white people (79%) that have ingrained prejudices mainly stemming from The Bible and Conservative (70%) upbringings that bias them against Obama due to his skin color.

It certainly is a substantial argument because it's true.  Sorry if the truth bites you in the butt. 

its seems rather evident that your reading comprehension is low, but. those statistic prove that they are in line with the rest of the population.

and actually they have a higher percentage of black people than the regualr republican party.

and all you are saying is they have a 70% (number pulled out of your ass) Christian up bringing, meaning they are racist, using absolutely

no evidence to back it up. i could say liberals have a 80% non religious up bringing, ingraining racial and prejudious thoughts in them.

 

and you do know Christians give more to Charities than non-religous people do, right (4x more than others)

also conservatives give 30% more to charity, while earning 5% less on average than liberals. 

so stop shitting lies all over the place


Regarding your first sentence:  What you lack the brains to come up with an original insult, Sherlock?  How weak can you get, badgenome pulled that one first.

 

Also, the 70% isn't pulled out of my rear, Dummy.  It's based on the fact that in the past November elections 70% of the Christian votes went to Tea Party and Republican Candidates, so even though USA Today failed to provide the data on how many Tea Partiers are Evangelicals or Fundamentalists ( note 70% of American Christians fall into these two misguided groups) and due to the Tea Party's oft repeated mantra that they want to put God back in everything:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI (see the number of signs in this video about the Tea Party advocating that the nation return to its false Christian roots (they must be meaning Salem, Massachusetts as the Founding Fathers had other beliefs), then they're must be quite a bit of cross-over between the two groups.

 

Also, the charities that Christians mainly give to are their churches (which should not be tax deductable donations) and really shouldn't count as charitable donations seeing how many of those tax free dollars actually go into the upkeep of their churches and into their ministers pockets (which is a real sin that these kooks make far more money than legitimate school teachers)  ather than to any real charitable operations.

 

If you remove the donations that Conservatives make to churches from the number of dollars donated to legitimate charities, then they donate far less than any other group. 

i pointed out that time and time again you fail to be able to read graphs, and the you proceed to compliment me by calling me one of the greatest detectives in literature. so thank you.

also conservatives still give more usefull things, like blood (18% more), but that must be Church blood, they must keep that for them selves and have pastors dirnk during ancient egyption ceramonies, never reaching people in need, right. and actually if you exclude Church charities (which is absolutely rediculous) liberals only out give give conservatives by <3%.

also, there is a difference between giving offerings to the Church, like during a service (which a significant portion of that goes to charity anyway, for example, during any given church service my church gives 25% of donations to living water international), and giving to a Chirch sponsored Charity, which goes directly to things like giving clothes to the poor, food, shelter, furnature to needy, thats almost exclusively Church driven, in fact the catholic church, has given more than any of your liberal instititions could dream of.

and like a said liberals are less likely to give to things that will directly impact people like the poor, and instead give to muesums and universities


However, many times when churches give things to the poor, they also try to indoctrinate them into believing the gibberish that most of the church's followers believe in.  Isn't that correct?  So, in effect the churches are actually only giving in an attempt to create more followers for their religion which in turn will give more to prolong the existence of the church in the future?  And, in turn their propogating the ancient slave system that the church happens to be, so what they are actually doing is expanding the net for future attempts at fascism.

 

And actually giving to museums and universities is far more beneficial than in giving to churches because universities, unlike churches, have the ability to actually teach their students things of real importance and that might actually broaden their lives rather than entrapping them in the ancient slave system that the church happens to be.  That is certainly a much more selfless and charitable endeavor than giving to churches.

living water digs wells in predominately muslim regions, so....

evangalizing, how dare the Church atempt to save people's souls, lets all kill them. and fortunately if the poor reject their teachings, they still get soup and shelter. good luck having a different view than your proffesor and get a passing grade.

no matter how you try to spin it, conservatives still give astronomically more than liberals, and only a little little bit less if you exclude church charities (which is insane, as the services they provide benefit millions more people than thing liberals give to, how exactly does a musem help). liberals like giving other peoples money, while conservatives give their own (something Christian values intill in them), and make less



osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
HappySqurriel said:
EdHieron said:
HappySqurriel said:
EdHieron said:


Actually, those figures from USA Today very much support my position and are one of the primary sources that I've used for data to come to my conclusion (79% white, 68% are fairly uneducated  49% employed probably quite a few of those are poor whites that are employed at low rent jobs like the fast food industry and that are very much prejudiced due to being brought up on The Bible).  The only thing USA Today failed to do was list the Religious makeup by percentage of the Tea Party.  Maybe it's hard to peg down due to the fact that they're misleading about it much as they won't express the fact that they don't like Obama due to his skin color.  However, I do consider that to be an essential yet missing piece of information here.   My guess though is that far more than 50% of them are either Evangelical or Fundamentalist Christians.  Have to go now.  Back later. 


So the fact that they're a good cross section of the American public that earns more on average than the typical American implies to you that they're poor white racists?

Please answer me this question, if the Tea Party supporters are intolerant racists why are there no videos to support this claim? If progressives are so tolerant why are there so man videos of these groups making ignorant and intolerant statements posted on the web? Why do you continue to hold beliefs which are contradicted by facts and why are you so unwilling to question a worldview which has to have been spoonfed to you (probably by MSNBC)?


There actually not a very good cross section of the American public.  A good cross section would be definitely be around 50% in all areas.  The Tea Party leans heavily to the Right (70% of them being Conservatives and probably an equal amount being Evangelical).  There are hardly any moderates in the Tea Party (only 22% with Moderates actually making up 38% of the general public which throws the cross-section theory out the window) uneducated (68% of them don't have college degrees), and almost half of them make less than $50,000 a year -- you know the poor white group that are really only against Obama due to his skin color and that would really start to cause problems in this country if the Conservatives really got bold enough to cut out their medicare and other free healthcare programs, their welfare and their social security. 

On Racist Tea Party videos:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI This one certainly has images of Confederate flags being held by Tea Partiers, the number of signs stating that America is supposed to be a Christian Nation is certainly indicative of a religious bias, and the Tea Party's insistance that Obama has is a Muslem and or is not an American citizen also has definite racially motivated elements.

 

Also it appears that there's at least one truthful Tea Partier in the bunch:  http://wonkette.com/448772/kentucky-tea-party-sells-patriotic-yup-im-a-racist-fourth-of-july-t-shirts

 

Why is equating Obama to Hitler, calling him the anti-Christ, claiming he is a terrorist, or countless other forms of rhetoric "Racist" while it was completely acceptable to equate Bush to Hitler, call Bush the anti-Christ, claiming Bush was a terrorist or countless other forms of rhetoric considered entirely acceptable?

Of that list of dozens of supposedly "racist" signs you demonstrated, the vast majority of those signs were almost identical to the signs that were used on Bush, most of the remaining signs could be considered "innappropriately-Racial" rather than racist, and only a couple would be clearly racist.


Was Bush ever called a Muslim or was the country of his birth ever questioned?

no, but he was also very public about his faith, attending church regularly, unlike obama how when he did go to church went to a radical black liberation theology church, one with a socialist docterine.

and with the obscurity of obamas past especially his child hood, like going to indonessia for school (or what ever country it was), and not providing his birth certificate until Trump, combined with people who dislike his policies trying to find a way to delegitamize him.


So, Tea Party types aren't intelligent enough to tell the difference between a black Liberation Christian Church and Islam?



osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
osamanobama said:
EdHieron said:
badgenome said:
EdHieron said:

 

 

In regards to your comment that the Tea Party is hardly poor and uneducated, I guess you didn't read the statistics that Happy Squirrel posted from USA Today that said that a combined 68% of Tea Party Members had only no college or some college.  It's not as if the Tea Party is in any way a bunch of Ph. D. folks.

As for your comment that the Tea Party is hardly poor, if you look at Happy Squirrel's statistics 55% of Tea Party members make over $50,000 a year which means that 45% of them don't.

And both of these statistics go along quite well with my contention that The Tea Party is made up by quite a few rich folks that don't want to pay any more of their money in taxes to really help out the lower classes in this country and that the group is made to look much bigger than it actually is by the amount of rather uneducated (68%) poor white people (79%) that have ingrained prejudices mainly stemming from The Bible and Conservative (70%) upbringings that bias them against Obama due to his skin color.

It certainly is a substantial argument because it's true.  Sorry if the truth bites you in the butt. 

its seems rather evident that your reading comprehension is low, but. those statistic prove that they are in line with the rest of the population.

and actually they have a higher percentage of black people than the regualr republican party.

and all you are saying is they have a 70% (number pulled out of your ass) Christian up bringing, meaning they are racist, using absolutely

no evidence to back it up. i could say liberals have a 80% non religious up bringing, ingraining racial and prejudious thoughts in them.

 

and you do know Christians give more to Charities than non-religous people do, right (4x more than others)

also conservatives give 30% more to charity, while earning 5% less on average than liberals. 

so stop shitting lies all over the place


Regarding your first sentence:  What you lack the brains to come up with an original insult, Sherlock?  How weak can you get, badgenome pulled that one first.

 

Also, the 70% isn't pulled out of my rear, Dummy.  It's based on the fact that in the past November elections 70% of the Christian votes went to Tea Party and Republican Candidates, so even though USA Today failed to provide the data on how many Tea Partiers are Evangelicals or Fundamentalists ( note 70% of American Christians fall into these two misguided groups) and due to the Tea Party's oft repeated mantra that they want to put God back in everything:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI (see the number of signs in this video about the Tea Party advocating that the nation return to its false Christian roots (they must be meaning Salem, Massachusetts as the Founding Fathers had other beliefs), then they're must be quite a bit of cross-over between the two groups.

 

Also, the charities that Christians mainly give to are their churches (which should not be tax deductable donations) and really shouldn't count as charitable donations seeing how many of those tax free dollars actually go into the upkeep of their churches and into their ministers pockets (which is a real sin that these kooks make far more money than legitimate school teachers)  ather than to any real charitable operations.

 

If you remove the donations that Conservatives make to churches from the number of dollars donated to legitimate charities, then they donate far less than any other group. 

i pointed out that time and time again you fail to be able to read graphs, and the you proceed to compliment me by calling me one of the greatest detectives in literature. so thank you.

also conservatives still give more usefull things, like blood (18% more), but that must be Church blood, they must keep that for them selves and have pastors dirnk during ancient egyption ceramonies, never reaching people in need, right. and actually if you exclude Church charities (which is absolutely rediculous) liberals only out give give conservatives by <3%.

also, there is a difference between giving offerings to the Church, like during a service (which a significant portion of that goes to charity anyway, for example, during any given church service my church gives 25% of donations to living water international), and giving to a Chirch sponsored Charity, which goes directly to things like giving clothes to the poor, food, shelter, furnature to needy, thats almost exclusively Church driven, in fact the catholic church, has given more than any of your liberal instititions could dream of.

and like a said liberals are less likely to give to things that will directly impact people like the poor, and instead give to muesums and universities


However, many times when churches give things to the poor, they also try to indoctrinate them into believing the gibberish that most of the church's followers believe in.  Isn't that correct?  So, in effect the churches are actually only giving in an attempt to create more followers for their religion which in turn will give more to prolong the existence of the church in the future?  And, in turn their propogating the ancient slave system that the church happens to be, so what they are actually doing is expanding the net for future attempts at fascism.

 

And actually giving to museums and universities is far more beneficial than in giving to churches because universities, unlike churches, have the ability to actually teach their students things of real importance and that might actually broaden their lives rather than entrapping them in the ancient slave system that the church happens to be.  That is certainly a much more selfless and charitable endeavor than giving to churches.

living water digs wells in predominately muslim regions, so....

evangalizing, how dare the Church atempt to save people's souls, lets all kill them. and fortunately if the poor reject their teachings, they still get soup and shelter. good luck having a different view than your proffesor and get a passing grade.

no matter how you try to spin it, conservatives still give astronomically more than liberals, and only a little little bit less if you exclude church charities (which is insane, as the services they provide benefit millions more people than thing liberals give to, how exactly does a musem help). liberals like giving other peoples money, while conservatives give their own (something Christian values intill in them), and make less


The world doesn't need Christian values.  It's past that stage in its evolution and has been for close to 160 years.  And, along with whatever good Christian values give to people it also teaches many people to do very petty things like hate gays or subjugate women.

 

Christianity teaches that all the world's ills will be cured by a dead and non existent God like Jesus.  And it really holds them back in many ways.  Why push for beneficial things like improvements to one's worthless healthcare purchased from the company you work for when the world's about to end and Jesus supposedy will bring you Cadillacs and Mansions?

 

No donations to universities and scientific instiitutions that do real research into improvements in medicine and technology help far more people than donations to Christian churches ever do.



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Was Bush ever called a Muslim or was the country of his birth ever questioned?

no, but he was also very public about his faith, attending church regularly, unlike obama how when he did go to church went to a radical black liberation theology church, one with a socialist docterine.

and with the obscurity of obamas past especially his child hood, like going to indonessia for school (or what ever country it was), and not providing his birth certificate until Trump, combined with people who dislike his policies trying to find a way to delegitamize him.


So, Tea Party types aren't intelligent enough to tell the difference between a black Liberation Christian Church and Islam?

seeing, as you ignored the majority of my post and the rational behind it.

also, Black liberation theology has more similarities to islam than Christianity, just listen to his former pastor, and then tell me who he like more, a Christian or a muslim. also Obama, having 2 parents be muslim (bio-dad, and adopted dad), his very apparrent muslim simpathy, and great reverence for the religion, and like i said their intense dislike for his policies all contribute to that.

i for example dont believe he is a Christian or a muslim, i believe he claims to be Christian because its politically expediant. i think he has a hodge podge of beliefs, some coming from Christianity, some coming from islam, some from other religions, most from secularism