Double post...And since I can't get rid of it I will post a picture...

I hope it touches your hearts..

Ahh. I had hoped that my point was so self evident that I need not explain it. Apparently not. Listen up.

Firstly, these games may not be considered shovelware, I haven't played them, some or all may well be good kids games.

That aside, and much more importantly, my point was that the PS2 and Wii, the two most successful home consoles ever (and please don't point out that the PS1 has still got a slight lead on the Wii, it ain't gonna last), are also the two consoles most associated with kids games and shovelware. This is because developers of kids games and shovelware are perfectly capable of recognising the most popular console, and because the existence of kids games and shovelware further drives hardware sales and revenue for the console they are on.

The fact that the Wii has kids games/shovelware only proves my point.
The fact that the gamecube has kids games/shovelware is no impediment to my point - just because shovelware generally tends to flock to, and cause, a successful console, doesn't mean that it is entirely absent on other consoles.

I believe the cause of your misinterpretation was because you assumed that my point was "how dare you say bad things about Nintendo! In return, I shall say bad things about Sony." I assure you, I really don't give a shit what console maker you like.

Aye even my cold hearted Sega Fanboy heart has melted for the DS.

Those are excellent points but there is a major difference between PS2 & WIi, the PS2 got excellent 3rd party core games in its time. not so much the WIi, which IMHO is the reason why more people give the WIi crap for that than PS2, hell the DS has shovelware and kiddy crap out the ass but for everyone of those, there is a Radiant Historia, or a Mario or some cool crap. I dont care how much Icarlys or what have you are made as long as there is a balance. 

OT i dont think 3DS is in any trouble all Ninty portables have had stuff like that. and they all turned out great. Street Fighter, DOA, Ridge Racer, 2 Resident Evil a MGS port, my god those are as core as you can get. The 3DS is in no trouble, id go so far to say that it will be kinda like PSP in terms of types of games it receives

mine too, the World ends with you is just too damn good to pass up, you hear SE screw fixing that crap you call an MMO and get cracking on a sequel.

Indeed onyide. It is the presence of good/popular games that sells a console, not the absence of bad games.

I'm not trying to bash Nintendo,  I never was. Anyway

oniyide beat me to what I was going to tell you about 3rd parties, so i will build on what he said:

People bought the PS2, because like he said, there were more hardcore games, and a better balance. To be honest, I don't see that same balance happening with the 3DS, if the Vita makes a huge splash. Why? Because hardcore gamers will probably flock to the Vita, and if anyone knows it  best it's Nintendo, 3rd party devs can and will jump ship. that is the problem here. You said in a later comment that it's the presence of good games that sell consoles. If Nintendo is targeting the hardcore, couple the Vita with the kids games on the 3DS, and it may not do well in the face of the hardcore. Once again, I'm not trying to troll Nintendo.

If the hardcore gamer isn't there, what will 3rd parties do? Jump ship. The 3DS's software lineup will be closer to the PSP then the DS's, but I doubt it will achieve the same balance as the PS2 did. This is the problem with the shovelware, ad why I mentioned hardcore gamers in the OP. 

I think you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say in the OP. I hope this cleared it up for you.

Yeah, I didn't think that the 3DS had enough shovelware to make it successful either. It's all well and good having so many AAA games, but we need a bunch of rubbish ones to capture the expanded audience. :s

I hear where your coming from, i do. I still believe you are worrying for nothing, do you not think that DS, GBA, GBC had a good balance of games overall. Why would you think 3DS would be different, IMHO most consoles release have had a good balance, ill go so far to say that the WIi is the only console i can think of where the ratio of shovelware/kiddy crap far outweighed actual legit third party core efforts. One could argue that PS360 is imbalanced as well but heavily favors core games, but hey thats one thing you wont hear me complaning about

Considering titles aimed at a younger audience were a significant portion of the DS library, this is not the problem for the 3DS.

As far as gaining a more sizable portion of the core gaming audience, the 3DS is already starting out well enough as far as 3rd party games go. Considering that SSFIV has been one of the best selling initial games on the platform, it's promising that there will be continued 3rd party support for core games.

3rd party second year releases as well as announced titles for 2013 will more or less set the tone for the remainder of the 3DS development cycle.

The two real potential problems with the 3DS as a platform are more related to the casual market transitioning to iOS devices, to include younger children who were a mainstay of the DS audience and accounted for a fairly significant portion of the overall player base (which all those "shovelware" titles were marketed for)..

The second problem is whether the 3DS as a platform will be able to distinguish itself as a platform suitable for games that don't port well, or at all to other platforms (particularly the PSV). Currently it has 3D effects (which have not played a major part of the game play of any 3DS title to date) as well as Street Pass integration, which provides decent social aspects to mobile gaming.

The problem with this is that Nintendo developed/published titles may end up making the majority of the exclusives, not that this is a problem for any Nintendo gamer, but there may not be many exclusive 3rd party titles that sell hardware.

Either way, it seems unlikely that the 3DS will take off like the DS until Nintendo drops the price significantly on the hardware and the library starts to resemble the DS library in size and scope. It won't happen in a year or even two, so any forecasts for impending doom of the platform are too premature.