by that logic, transformers & twilight r some of the best movies ever made, n mcdonalds food is the best

Nope. Not in North America.

lol i love this argument against popular things haha, and its true, those brands that have the highest sales are the best because a large group of people are willing to pay for them. you can say obscure movie/book/food/video game is the best ever, but thats just your opinion. sales give a factual basis to make arguments from. take twilight, it is one of the best franchises for women readers/movie goers to live out their fantasy of being seduced by a handsome vampire and werewolf. it wouldnt sell so much if it didnt resonate with so many people, so it is one of the best stories at doing what it does.

It's true that they are the only objective measures, but they are, however, unreliable. Transformers 2 may have sold the most tickets in the box office and yielded the most revenue in the past decade (I haven't a clue if it actually has) but few would subscribe to the idea that it was the best movie of the past decade - a safe assumption, I'd imagine given user feedback.

Making the conclusion that something is 'best' by using the the only objective metric we have is tempting, sure, but it is fallacious. There's no doubt that there is a correlation between quality and sales, but it's impossible to quantify as qualification is subjective (for the most part - excluding graphics, physics, sound, AI, etc - all aspects I'm sure few of contribute as to solely constituting what is actually better, but are no doubt factors for many).

@ the post you quoted: "Sure, you could claim that the 360 and PS3 have better exclusives, but you would be wrong. Other than pure subjectivity you would have nothing to back it up."

All you actually need is subjectivity. It would be pointless to make any general factual statement regarding the topic.

Which exclusive games are the best will be a discussion without end, even when facts will be thrown in the battlefield, there is no way one party will convince the other.

However, a fact is that the attempt that third parties and first parties from Xbox360 and PS3 have done in converting this medium into an artistic form of its own (that goes beyond the artistic aesthetic of how cute Mario looks in Nintendo's last game and how fun is to fly Mario with his new ear-wings) has more weight than anything that can be argued against. Videogames are bound to be regarded as singular artisct experience that will focus in the user experience through his interactivity with the virtual world, the decisions he makes that affect both this world and the STORYLINE, and the emotions this evokes.

No other art form can provoke this experience and emotions, and Nintendo is not doing anything in this field to be part of this movement and in fact, they are the main detractors of this along with downloadable games from iPad and iPhones which give only disposable and superficial experiences. If you guys prefer these games that is your problem, but playing a gotcha match with your friend will never be as meaningful as watching the Mona Lisa or listening to the Ninth Symphony, not for humanity.

I think he meant it's on the PS3, it is in Australian anyway. 

@Thread. People are once again bringing up sales as a measurement of quality, which is one of the silliest methods of determining how good something is. Sales are so easily influenced by outside interferences that taking it as a measurement of anything more than just a financial success is ridiculous. Marketing is a huge factor for a lot of the best selling Nintendo games, I've never seen games marketed more than the Nintendo ones from this generation and to a a general consumer that doesn't keep tabs on games releases, they may as well be the only games that ever get released. A Mario Kart game with a 20 million dollar marketing budget has a much higher chance of selling more than a game like Bayonetta with a 2 million dollar marketing budget, that doesn't make Mario Kart a better game.

There are a whole bunch of other factors that fall into this like brand strength, bundling, demographics, distribution methods and so on, but my main point it that using sales as an objective view of what is quality is stupid.

Also, McDonalds isn't the greatest restaraunt on Earth and Avatar isn't the greatest movie ever made, wanna fight about it?

Just for fun and just because I know that my post will be ignored and any sort of logical rationale will just fly over peoples heads, heres a fun comparison between the sales of the best exclusive games on the PS3, 360 and Wii.

Wii 40.1

360 55.82

PS3 39.67

The argument was never valid in the first place.

It's hard to argue the Wii doesn't have the greatest exclusives, even if you're the biggest PS360, anti Wii guy there is. NSMB, DKC, Monster Hunter Tri, Mario Galaxy 2, Little King's Story, Metroid Prime trilogy, Goldeneye, Epic Mickey, Warioware, Zack and Wiki, Wii Sports. Sony, MS, and the vast majority of third parties simply don't touch Nintendo's quality. Well maybe unless you value heavy cinematics and asthetics in your games, which I don't.

Note, that doesn't mean Wii has the best library. That title belongs to the 360.

-@ pearljammer:  Nicely put, indeed.

If quality was measured by the success of a product then one does wonder where games like Super Metroid, Valkyria Chronicles, Shenmue, Demon's Souls, Castlevania SOTN and plenty others would stand as.  Yet, there's hardly anyone who would say they're not high quality titles.

Wii has the best lineup? Sure it does and by miles... But that is just me, I did have a ps3 (A gift) and IMO uncharted was just ok, MGS4 was boring, infamous was ok, I actually kind of like it, but no... I traded that ps3 for a bike (great deal btw)...