AbbathTheGrim said:
freebs2 said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
Pavolink said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
Pavolink said:
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Which exclusive games are the best will be a discussion without end, even when facts will be thrown in the battlefield, there is no way one party will convince the other.
However, a fact is that the attempt that third parties and first parties from Xbox360 and PS3 have done in converting this medium into an artistic form of its own (that goes beyond the artistic aesthetic of how cute Mario looks in Nintendo's last game and how fun is to fly Mario with his new ear-wings) has more weight than anything that can be argued against. Videogames are bound to be regarded as singular artisct experience that will focus in the user experience through his interactivity with the virtual world, the decisions he makes that affect both this world and the STORYLINE, and the emotions this evokes.
No other art form can provoke this experience and emotions, and Nintendo is not doing anything in this field to be part of this movement and in fact, they are the main detractors of this along with downloadable games from iPad and iPhones which give only disposable and superficial experiences. If you guys prefer these games that is your problem, but playing a gotcha match with your friend will never be as meaningful as watching the Mona Lisa or listening to the Ninth Symphony, not for humanity.
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Perfect example. Thank you to prove my point. Like I said, this goes on "my opinion is a fact"...
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I am not making an opinion. I am stating a fact. Look for a definition of art. Try to find a form of art that lets you have control and impact the the work of fiction and receive feedback from it through emotions. Analyze what videogames do regarding this concept. See what Nintendo has done and is doing to enrich such experiences in videogames.
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http://www.wordreference.com/definition/art
Art:: "the expression or application of creative skill and imagination, especially through a visual medium".
So, how that's implying a story? or the ability to modify it? Do you listen to music because of story? So an instrumental it's not art?
About the other 2 things up there:
-Why? Because you decided it? because I don't give a s*it about the ability to interact with the story line. I mean if I can play a game like that ok it's intersting but it doesn't mean it's a feature to apply to every game. Does a racing game need a story?
-Yes me and my friends having good time playing togheter is a lot more meaningful for humanity than watching a game alone like Heavy Rain and say: "Oh shit it's like the Ninth Symphony!", sorry. (btw. the Ninth Symphony/ Mona Lisa? LOL)
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A "medium". A medium like the fine arts, literary arts, conceptual arts, etc. Remit yourself to my previous post today to see my what I am talking about.
I brought the example of the game Flower in a previous post, that game doesn't have storyline. I said "and" storyline with the intention of include a work of fiction in its equation, not to say that it requires it in order to be an art form.
This is not a discussion of how a game should be or not. You are confusing things here. I have as much fun playing Bioshock as I do playing Tetris, but I don't get that experience of going through a work of fiction in Tetris as I do in Bioshock, or the subtle emotions of playing Flower and there lies the "difference". Nintendo games are simply fun and that appeals to your demographic it seems and that is completely fine, I like such games as well. But I value and respect more things that evoke in me ideas and emotions instead of just having fun while jumping over a turtle and listening to the "plux" and saying: "Oh my fucking God that is so fun!".
Heavy Rain is gameplay through and through, I don't know what you played if you actually did play it. What about Beethoven and L. da Vinchi? You don't like my examples for the art-impaired? You recognized them, that was the purpose.
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A "medium" is just a veichle or a technique to express creativity and imagination, you can have as many mediums as you want. The difference beetween Flower and a game like Mario or Zelda is that creativity is expressed in a different way. Both could be considered art as well as both could be considered raw entertainment. In Flower they (devs) express creativity and imagination mostly by the interaction beetween music and images, in a game like Heavy Rain mostly by narration (or fiction). In a Mario or a Zelda game greativity is express mostly by level and gameplay design. Architecture is considered by many an art. In these cases I see the developer as an "architect" who uses imagination and creativity to create an engaging experience.
I play an love lot of the games you like; Bioshock, Fallout, MGS, Portal or Braid are some of my favourites this gen. the only difference is that I see these games as much "artistic" as a raw platformer like Mario of DK are because they all express creativity. Nintendo games are not just about being fun, they evoke ideas and emotions as well, a sense of exploration a sense of curiosity , a sense of challange when you try to beat and hard level in DK or to beat a Metroid boss or to beat a friend at brawl, or a sense of accomplishment when you solve a puzzle in Zelda dungeon. Really the only difference I see beetween a Nintendo game and the other listed before is the lack of focus on storytelling. You may be very interested in this particual aspect of game but saying that only these games are "art" and the others are not, it's just your opinion, not a matter of fact. You can apply the same to music. You have a lot of genres, if you make a comparison beetween Jazz and Rap, you see they are both considered as music tought they use totally different mediums to express creativity, in Rap you have lyrics as the main medium, in Jazz you have instrumental skills as medium. I think Jazz is great while rap is dull, but still I consider it an art, and that's my opionion not a fact.
