All people do indeed lie, but when it's to get some sort of powerful position they usually make false promises or even acqusations against other people attempting to gain power. Point being I'm not slaming on Obama, he's doing a pretty good job, I mean that bailout for GM actually worked that is rather iimpresive.

The GM bailout worked because GM unlike most of everywhere else was that there problems weren't systematic.   By the time they asked for the bailout money they already handled their systematic problems and just needed some "holdover" money.

I suggest reading

http://www.gladwell.com/2010/2010_11_01_a_overdrive.html

or the Short version

What Wagoner meant in his testimony before the Senate, in other words, was something like this:  "At G.M., we are finally producing world-class cars. We have brought our costs, quality, and productivity into line with those of our competitors. We have finally disposed of the crippling burden of our legacy retiree costs. We have expanded into the world's fastest-growing markets more effectively than any other company in the United States. But the effort required to bring about that transformation has left our balance sheet thin—and, at the very moment that we need a couple of years of normal economic activity to refill our coffers, auto sales have fallen off a cliff. Do you mind giving us a hand until things get back to normal?"

Meh, I'm not too surprised. He's lied about several things, as most politicians do:

- No lobbyists

- Ending or renegotiating NAFTA

- ending the patriot act

- Withdrawing troops from Iraq and a plan to end the war

- Working to cut the national debt

- Closing Guantanamo Bay

- The need to push the banker bailout

etc etc..

not saying that Bush and the neocons are any better. But my point being that Obama is merely an extension of Bush.

So it's more the "Not liking us" thing then the genocide thing.  Since Sudan was way worse.

That's funny, i thought you were against the Iraq war.  The same arguements were made for that war and were just as valid.

The only good thing about Obama starting this war is that if McCain started it we'd be in it even more deep.

I'm not sure about that. It's possible McCain would have gone ahead and taken Gaddafi out by now, at least. What we have now is an American policy of regime change in Libya, but while we're involved in their civil war, we're not actually trying to kill Gaddafi or even trying to put the screws to him in any real way. It's sort of the worst of both worlds.

I was opposed to starting it like we did, which involved very contrived evidence, much different from what is going on in Libya

By the time I really started thinking about politics (in time for the 04 election), i already knew that we had to stick it out in a sort of "we made this mess, we clean it up," kind of way, so i never agreed with the whole Cindy Sheehan Moveon.org crowd in that regard

Ha, so we have the same opinion on that one then.

Ironically, unlike Iraq... this war I could believe was done "for the oil."

Of course we'll see how that bears out once the rebels are in power and the new oil contracts come out... but so far the rebels seem to be proporting a pretty big Anti-Russia, Anti-China agenda.

Mostly true.  I wouldn't QUITE buy the Chinese example though.  The US has more RECORDED prisoners.

Harsher sentencing has a lot to do with this too I think when you consider a lot of places actually have more crime per capita like the UK.