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Scoobes said:
Rainbird said:

It's the same situation that I described above. If something in your life is causing you to get these headaches, then a painkiller is nothing then something that allows you to ignore what's wrong.

Taking a painkiller because you can't fix things at the moment is fine, but taking pills is not the solution, and that's what I'm talking about. We need to look at what is causing the pain in our daily lives and deal with that, rather than just trying to make the pain stop for a moment. If you're feeling pain, your body is telling you that something is wrong.

Humans have been taking pain-numbing chemicals for years though. They just weren't in tablet form. I don't think in the case of pain killers we're really over medicating ourselves that much more than in the past even with the hectic life-styles. At least now we have definitive numbers and concentrations for how much we should be taking.

Also, it's worth remembering that a lot of these pain-killers have secondary benefits as well as side-effects. Aspirin is commonly used for people suffering from heart disease, Ibroprofen has additional benefits in reducing swelling and paracetamol can help prevent kidney failure in specific circumstances.

Regardless of past actions, I think too many people try to "solve" their problems with pills rather than trying to get to the bottom of things and improving their lives in a better fashion.

And as I said in the OP, medicine is not bad. There are just too many people using it the wrong way.



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sapphi_snake said:
chocoloco said:
sapphi_snake said:
By chance, has anyone here read Brave New World? I don't understand why people are so surprised than in a capitalist society health has become an industry to be exploited by pharmaceutical companies.

You find me some soma and I want it now. Yes, I read the book.

 

At least it is not required by law to take drugs/soma.

""By his heretical views on sport and soma, by the scandalous unorthodoxy of his sex-life, by his refusal to obey the teachings of Our Ford and behave out of office hours, 'even as a little infant,'" (here the Director made the sign of the T), "he has proved himself an enemy of Society, a subverter, ladies and gentlemen, of all Order and Stability, a conspirator against Civilization itself. For this reason I propose to dismiss him, to dismiss him with ignominy from the post he has held in

"And if ever, by some unlucky chance, anything unpleasant should somehow happen, why, there's always soma to give you a holiday from the facts. And there's always soma to calm your anger, to reconcile you to your enemies, to make you patient and long-suffering. In the past you could only accomplish these things by making a great effort and after years of hard moral training. Now, you swallow two or three half-gramme tablets, and there you are. Anybody can be virtuous now. You can carry at least half your morality about in a bottle. Christianity without tears-that's what soma is."


These words remind me of socities over use of antidepressant pills witch are consumed by so many without any real evidence they work and without any knowledge of what long term effects they have on peoples brain functioning.

What's worse is that by doing this people don't actually try to fix their problems.

ertainly there is no drug that works like soma, but looking at drug use as a whole it is very similar. It is hard to say though if drugs are the only thing you try than your not trying anything. It is good when some people try things like better diets and exercise.



Scoobes said:
Joelcool7 said:

Well I've been heavily medicated since I was a kid. When I was young I had ADHD apparently so I was on Ridalin. Anything went wrong and here's another pill. I finally got off pills for a few years but then stopped being able to sleep naturally. So 15 pill tryouts later I found a drug that puts me to sleep, but its an anti-psychodic and it makes meel feel Meh about everything I can't get overly happy or depressed and I have no modivation to do anything.

I tried getting off the pills immediatly I felt 100x better, but couldn't sleep and within a week was haluscinating and blacking out. So back on the dang pill. Tried reducing dosage but that meant less to no sleep.

I hate being on drugs, I also caught MRSA a infection that is resistant to anti-biotics. Was in the hospital 2 hours twice a day for like 3 months for IV anti-Biotics.

I just got a cold that lasted over a month. I went into the doctor and he perscribed 5 pills. I went home and took them a day before deciding "No more freaking pills" so I stopped taking them.

It sucks but pills are forced down our throats! And in some cases like my Insomnia they are nescessary but they always have side effects. Always something negative, they say their is nothing free in life, well their is no such thing as a cure without paying something else for it!

5 pills for a cold?! Wtf?! Did he at least tell you what each of them was for?

And I think people need to do their own research rather than just accepting their Doctors recommendations. It's not the medicine that's the problem in a lot of cases, but the people prescribing them. I especially hate the idea of giving kids drugs like Ridalin. There are just too many unknowns in a developing mind and body. I feel sorry for you having had so many pills forced down you at such a young age, it just sounds like overkill.

He gave me Advil Cold and Sinus something, Tylenol 3's, A cough syrup (perscription), two anti-biotics. He said all the medication was nescessary as he thought I had a very bad virus. I was like why do i have so much, he was like

-The Tylenol 3's have something in them that helps stop you from caughing

-The advil will clear your sinuses and help with the coughing

-The cough syrup will also help with both the coughing, sore throat and sinuses

Then he said he thought the virus was mutating into an infect but he didn't know what kind of infection so he gave me two different anti-biotics to kill any infection.

I took them all for like a day or two before stopping. I was like "hell no" I'm not taking five different drugs for a cold. Granted I still have the cold and its been over a month since I got it. But I'd rather have a slight cold (It feels alot better now then it used too) then take five freaking drugs.



-JC7

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chocoloco said:
sapphi_snake said:
chocoloco said:
sapphi_snake said:
By chance, has anyone here read Brave New World? I don't understand why people are so surprised than in a capitalist society health has become an industry to be exploited by pharmaceutical companies.

You find me some soma and I want it now. Yes, I read the book.

 

At least it is not required by law to take drugs/soma.

""By his heretical views on sport and soma, by the scandalous unorthodoxy of his sex-life, by his refusal to obey the teachings of Our Ford and behave out of office hours, 'even as a little infant,'" (here the Director made the sign of the T), "he has proved himself an enemy of Society, a subverter, ladies and gentlemen, of all Order and Stability, a conspirator against Civilization itself. For this reason I propose to dismiss him, to dismiss him with ignominy from the post he has held in

"And if ever, by some unlucky chance, anything unpleasant should somehow happen, why, there's always soma to give you a holiday from the facts. And there's always soma to calm your anger, to reconcile you to your enemies, to make you patient and long-suffering. In the past you could only accomplish these things by making a great effort and after years of hard moral training. Now, you swallow two or three half-gramme tablets, and there you are. Anybody can be virtuous now. You can carry at least half your morality about in a bottle. Christianity without tears-that's what soma is."


These words remind me of socities over use of antidepressant pills witch are consumed by so many without any real evidence they work and without any knowledge of what long term effects they have on peoples brain functioning.

What's worse is that by doing this people don't actually try to fix their problems.

ertainly there is no drug that works like soma, but looking at drug use as a whole it is very similar. It is hard to say though if drugs are the only thing you try than your not trying anything. It is good when some people try things like better diets and exercise.

If the drugs just make your symptoms go away, rather than treating the cause (for example making you high when you're sad because of person troubles), then you're not doing anything serious to fix your troubles.



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sapphi_snake said:
chocoloco said:
sapphi_snake said:
chocoloco said:
sapphi_snake said:
By chance, has anyone here read Brave New World? I don't understand why people are so surprised than in a capitalist society health has become an industry to be exploited by pharmaceutical companies.

You find me some soma and I want it now. Yes, I read the book.

 

At least it is not required by law to take drugs/soma.

""By his heretical views on sport and soma, by the scandalous unorthodoxy of his sex-life, by his refusal to obey the teachings of Our Ford and behave out of office hours, 'even as a little infant,'" (here the Director made the sign of the T), "he has proved himself an enemy of Society, a subverter, ladies and gentlemen, of all Order and Stability, a conspirator against Civilization itself. For this reason I propose to dismiss him, to dismiss him with ignominy from the post he has held in

"And if ever, by some unlucky chance, anything unpleasant should somehow happen, why, there's always soma to give you a holiday from the facts. And there's always soma to calm your anger, to reconcile you to your enemies, to make you patient and long-suffering. In the past you could only accomplish these things by making a great effort and after years of hard moral training. Now, you swallow two or three half-gramme tablets, and there you are. Anybody can be virtuous now. You can carry at least half your morality about in a bottle. Christianity without tears-that's what soma is."


These words remind me of socities over use of antidepressant pills witch are consumed by so many without any real evidence they work and without any knowledge of what long term effects they have on peoples brain functioning.

What's worse is that by doing this people don't actually try to fix their problems.

ertainly there is no drug that works like soma, but looking at drug use as a whole it is very similar. It is hard to say though if drugs are the only thing you try than your not trying anything. It is good when some people try things like better diets and exercise.

If the drugs just make your symptoms go away, rather than treating the cause (for example making you high when you're sad because of person troubles), then you're not doing anything serious to fix your troubles.

I think your talking about compleatly different drugs than me. Most drugs do not get you high  and have other effects. That does not mean heavy use is good for you or the type of society we should strive for.



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our soceity is dependant on alot of things

we are moving away from traditional living to a new one


like people in the western world have so many contraceptive ways and lifestyle that many countries are facing population decline

people need to know the problems and act to it not delay it or move away from it



Great post, I agree with most of what Rainbird, HappySquirrel, etc. said.

@ axumblade: Please, if you get a prescription for antibiotics, don't stop halfway through. I've heard that is a serious contributor to diseases becoming antibiotic resistant. I could be wrong as that is very secondhand info, but it smells legit to me.



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snakenobi said:
our soceity is dependant on alot of things

we are moving away from traditional living to a new one


like people in the western world have so many contraceptive ways and lifestyle that many countries are facing population decline

people need to know the problems and act to it not delay it or move away from it

This really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.



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Joelcool7 said:
Scoobes said:
Joelcool7 said:

Well I've been heavily medicated since I was a kid. When I was young I had ADHD apparently so I was on Ridalin. Anything went wrong and here's another pill. I finally got off pills for a few years but then stopped being able to sleep naturally. So 15 pill tryouts later I found a drug that puts me to sleep, but its an anti-psychodic and it makes meel feel Meh about everything I can't get overly happy or depressed and I have no modivation to do anything.

I tried getting off the pills immediatly I felt 100x better, but couldn't sleep and within a week was haluscinating and blacking out. So back on the dang pill. Tried reducing dosage but that meant less to no sleep.

I hate being on drugs, I also caught MRSA a infection that is resistant to anti-biotics. Was in the hospital 2 hours twice a day for like 3 months for IV anti-Biotics.

I just got a cold that lasted over a month. I went into the doctor and he perscribed 5 pills. I went home and took them a day before deciding "No more freaking pills" so I stopped taking them.

It sucks but pills are forced down our throats! And in some cases like my Insomnia they are nescessary but they always have side effects. Always something negative, they say their is nothing free in life, well their is no such thing as a cure without paying something else for it!

5 pills for a cold?! Wtf?! Did he at least tell you what each of them was for?

And I think people need to do their own research rather than just accepting their Doctors recommendations. It's not the medicine that's the problem in a lot of cases, but the people prescribing them. I especially hate the idea of giving kids drugs like Ridalin. There are just too many unknowns in a developing mind and body. I feel sorry for you having had so many pills forced down you at such a young age, it just sounds like overkill.

He gave me Advil Cold and Sinus something, Tylenol 3's, A cough syrup (perscription), two anti-biotics. He said all the medication was nescessary as he thought I had a very bad virus. I was like why do i have so much, he was like

-The Tylenol 3's have something in them that helps stop you from caughing

-The advil will clear your sinuses and help with the coughing

-The cough syrup will also help with both the coughing, sore throat and sinuses

Then he said he thought the virus was mutating into an infect but he didn't know what kind of infection so he gave me two different anti-biotics to kill any infection.

I took them all for like a day or two before stopping. I was like "hell no" I'm not taking five different drugs for a cold. Granted I still have the cold and its been over a month since I got it. But I'd rather have a slight cold (It feels alot better now then it used too) then take five freaking drugs.

That's rather a lot, lol. At least your doctor's thorough! But yeah, I guess it depends on how bad your cough is as to which medicine(s) your decide to take (talking about the first 3- 3 meds that basically have the same effect). Also not sure why he's given you two sets of anti-biotics for what is most likely a virus. He's probably worried about secondary infections during your weakened state. My doctors usually do the same (although only 1 antibiotic usually), although most of the time I think it's just paranoia. I guess they're probably liable if it does turn into something more serious.



Scoobes said:
Joelcool7 said:
Scoobes said:
Joelcool7 said:

Well I've been heavily medicated since I was a kid. When I was young I had ADHD apparently so I was on Ridalin. Anything went wrong and here's another pill. I finally got off pills for a few years but then stopped being able to sleep naturally. So 15 pill tryouts later I found a drug that puts me to sleep, but its an anti-psychodic and it makes meel feel Meh about everything I can't get overly happy or depressed and I have no modivation to do anything.

I tried getting off the pills immediatly I felt 100x better, but couldn't sleep and within a week was haluscinating and blacking out. So back on the dang pill. Tried reducing dosage but that meant less to no sleep.

I hate being on drugs, I also caught MRSA a infection that is resistant to anti-biotics. Was in the hospital 2 hours twice a day for like 3 months for IV anti-Biotics.

I just got a cold that lasted over a month. I went into the doctor and he perscribed 5 pills. I went home and took them a day before deciding "No more freaking pills" so I stopped taking them.

It sucks but pills are forced down our throats! And in some cases like my Insomnia they are nescessary but they always have side effects. Always something negative, they say their is nothing free in life, well their is no such thing as a cure without paying something else for it!

5 pills for a cold?! Wtf?! Did he at least tell you what each of them was for?

And I think people need to do their own research rather than just accepting their Doctors recommendations. It's not the medicine that's the problem in a lot of cases, but the people prescribing them. I especially hate the idea of giving kids drugs like Ridalin. There are just too many unknowns in a developing mind and body. I feel sorry for you having had so many pills forced down you at such a young age, it just sounds like overkill.

He gave me Advil Cold and Sinus something, Tylenol 3's, A cough syrup (perscription), two anti-biotics. He said all the medication was nescessary as he thought I had a very bad virus. I was like why do i have so much, he was like

-The Tylenol 3's have something in them that helps stop you from caughing

-The advil will clear your sinuses and help with the coughing

-The cough syrup will also help with both the coughing, sore throat and sinuses

Then he said he thought the virus was mutating into an infect but he didn't know what kind of infection so he gave me two different anti-biotics to kill any infection.

I took them all for like a day or two before stopping. I was like "hell no" I'm not taking five different drugs for a cold. Granted I still have the cold and its been over a month since I got it. But I'd rather have a slight cold (It feels alot better now then it used too) then take five freaking drugs.

That's rather a lot, lol. At least your doctor's thorough! But yeah, I guess it depends on how bad your cough is as to which medicine(s) your decide to take (talking about the first 3- 3 meds that basically have the same effect). Also not sure why he's given you two sets of anti-biotics for what is most likely a virus. He's probably worried about secondary infections during your weakened state. My doctors usually do the same (although only 1 antibiotic usually), although most of the time I think it's just paranoia. I guess they're probably liable if it does turn into something more serious.

Yah thorough but do I really need/want to ingest five different drugs for like a month? I went to my home doctor for a second opinion and he told me I did the right thing by stopping them. He was like "The more drugs you take the less effective they will be in the future" before perscribing me with a puffer to help with the cold.

He also said that quiting the anti-biotics is only bad if you have an infection, it could lead to the infection becoming immune. However he said I had no infections and didn't need the anti-biotics.

To be honest I haven't used the puffer yet either. The virus isn't as bad as it was alittle while ago and I doubt the puffer is going to completely cure it. I may's well just let the virus run its course.



-JC7

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