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HappySqurriel said:
The entire "Healthcare" system is broken in the western world ...

The bulk of our medical system is built around treating preventable illnesses rather than preventing this illness in the first place. And, much like replacing an engine in a car rather than getting an oil change, the cost of treatment of the illness is far greater than the cost of preventing the illness in the first place.

Great point, though turning people away from smoking and fattening food (to mention two common life style disease causes) would be a long and hard process, both because of stubborn consumers and because of lobbyism from companies. Being healthy is thankfully becoming more and more important to people these days, but there's still a long way to go.



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A lot of people have no choice since they have to work to take home the bacon.



Rainbird said:
HappySqurriel said:
The entire "Healthcare" system is broken in the western world ...

The bulk of our medical system is built around treating preventable illnesses rather than preventing this illness in the first place. And, much like replacing an engine in a car rather than getting an oil change, the cost of treatment of the illness is far greater than the cost of preventing the illness in the first place.

Great point, though turning people away from smoking and fattening food (to mention two common life style disease causes) would be a long and hard process, both because of stubborn consumers and because of lobbyism from companies. Being healthy is thankfully becoming more and more important to people these days, but there's still a long way to go.

Must ... resist ... the doughnuts ...



 

sethnintendo said:

Not all but most colds, viruses, etc are becoming resistant to medication (such as penicillin) because we use it too often. I believe either Norway or Sweden started decreasing its' use of penicillin and found that it helped prevent colds or whatever becoming resistant to it.

What I would like to see is that drug ads be banned (at least prescription drugs). There is zero reason why drug companies should advertise prescription drugs (besides them selling an overpriced medication). It is like trying to make the patient into the doctor. Patient goes to doctor... Hey, doc I think I need this drug because I saw an ad on TV. It should be the other way around. The person should notice they have a problem or the doctor notices a problem during check up then prescribes a generic drug for them to take. The branding and advertising of prescription drugs in the USA is sickening.  Prescription drugs (use of brand name over generic) are another reason why our healthcare costs are way out of line compared to other nations. 


Yea I do not understand why drug ads are legal. They used to be illegal now that is all I see on tv. I woul;d rather have the cigarrette ads back because atleast people know they are bad for you. Its seems like there is a medicine everything, and instead of relying on our own bodies to fight things offf we pass the buck to medicine and in the long run we are weakening ourselves and strenghtening viruses/bacteria as they become imune to our medicine. I only use medicine as a last resort, and even then its been a long time since I have teken any (minus the chronic I am always smoking :) )





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Rainbird said:

Medicin isn't a bad thing, it helps people around the world on a daily basis with results that are hard to reach with other means.

But I noticed an ad campaign today for some headache medication, like "Don't forget to use our product when things are weighing down on your head", with images of people being weighed down by work, complicated family situations and all that.

But why are we treating it this way? Isn't this completely the wrong way to go about it? The headache in this case is a symptom of your lifestyle.

Is your work giving you headaches? Take some medication!

Is your family giving you headaches? Take some medication!

We're curing the symptom rather than the disease! It makes no sense!

Are people so blind to their own life styles that they think medication is the right solution? I know changing your life style can be hard, and maybe you want to keep your current lifestyle, even though it's bad for you. But I don't understand why anyone thinks this is a good idea.


There are different types of medicine.

Painkillers cure the symptoms of an illness like headaches, aches & pains, fever etc... I don't see anything wrong with numbing the pain while your immune system takes care of the illness itself.

Some bacterial/viral infections need medication to be cured. But viral infections like colds/flu cannot be treated with antibiotics AT ALL, but you can cure the symptoms with painkillers.

Other medicines like antidepressants or cancer drugs are essential in specific cases.

 

Modern medicine is one of the reasons why humans are living longer. I agree with you to an extent about lifestyle but people have to work to earn money to survive.



dobby985 said:
Rainbird said:

Medicin isn't a bad thing, it helps people around the world on a daily basis with results that are hard to reach with other means.

But I noticed an ad campaign today for some headache medication, like "Don't forget to use our product when things are weighing down on your head", with images of people being weighed down by work, complicated family situations and all that.

But why are we treating it this way? Isn't this completely the wrong way to go about it? The headache in this case is a symptom of your lifestyle.

Is your work giving you headaches? Take some medication!

Is your family giving you headaches? Take some medication!

We're curing the symptom rather than the disease! It makes no sense!

Are people so blind to their own life styles that they think medication is the right solution? I know changing your life style can be hard, and maybe you want to keep your current lifestyle, even though it's bad for you. But I don't understand why anyone thinks this is a good idea.

 

 

Painkillers cure the symptoms of an illness like headaches, aches & pains, fever etc... I don't see anything wrong with numbing the pain while your immune system takes care of the illness itself.

 


Pain killers tend to tell your body to ignore the pain and since you may not feel the pain chances are you will continue to do what is causing the pain and thus make it worse or still have the pain when the pain killer wears off. If you are in pain it is best to treat the cause not the symptoms. That is the problem with most medicine, it cures sympotns not sources of illness/pain.



thranx said:

Pain killers tend to tell your body to ignore the pain and since you may not feel the pain chances are you will continue to do what is causing the pain and thus make it worse or still have the pain when the pain killer wears off. If you are in pain it is best to treat the cause not the symptoms. That is the problem with most medicine, it cures sympotns not sources of illness/pain.

The most effective way is, for example, when you feel a headache coming and you know it's going to hit regardless of what you'll do next. Take a pill and stop what you're doing that's causing the headache. The pill will stop the headache and give your body enough time to recover so that when the pill wears out, you won't get the headache at all.



Why? Because the majority is dumb and weak willed (yeah, it does sound like preaching from a high horse, but can you really disagree?).
Don't wanna deal with it? Make it go away? It comes back? Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

Changing a lifestyle? Most won't even try unless they touch death. Why eat healthy, cook for yourself, and know what you're buying when you can get tasty stuff that cooks itself? Why moderate yourself if you don't see any consequences? Why prevent a headache when you can squash it when it happens? Why even think of any other way to live?

Humans can't regulate themselves without repercussions and consequences, and are not in touch with their innermost feelings, the fear of others losing you, the fear of death and not completing your tasks in this world. Routine, offices, and the obsession with today mute that. The way others see you far exceeds the way you see yourself in importance, and people don't think enough of themselves, replacing it others' thoughts about them.

I could go on, and perhaps I'm over-analyzing, but that's what I think. Good thread, RB.



dobby985 said:
Zkuq said:
Yes. Medicine is taken too lightly. Headache? Take a pill. And then there's that bacteria/viruses get resistant to medicine.

Painkillers for headaches don't even fight bacteria/viruses so I don't know how you came up with that idea.

I never said they did.