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@Kasz216:

It's why research tends to show that anti-price gouging laws actually cause more deaths in disaster areas.  Most governments though would rather have more people die, then have more people of all classes saved, but the rich saved first.

This makes no sense. If it's a disaster, and prices are exaggerately inflated, then how will anybody but rich people be able to afford the products?

It's why communist societies had to try and take over the world, while all capitalist societies had to do was wait for communist societies to collapse.

I don't really think all they did was wait for them to collapse. With all the Cold War paranoia, I doubt you can say that capitalists were that confident in themselves.

I mean... you are a Doctor.  You went to school for 12 years to do your job.  Your friend dropped out of highschool, and works at a local fast food restraunt.

He makes the same much as you do.

Are you going to be happy about this?  Hell no.

Yes, this is the biggest fault of Communism, but the ideea was to create absolut equality. Plus, in the past only the bourgeois or people from the upper class could ever hope to aspire to high paying jobs that required education they could not afford (not to mention nepotism that was common back then).



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Kasz216 said:


Well hell,  the times he lived in were depressing.  The level of power the working class has in any democracy today would shock marx greatly, as he literally thought it was impossible.

Essentially Marx was going off a "we're screwed we gotta tip the whole system over" mindset.

Well, back then it was the evil bourgeois who ran things, so you can see where he was coming from. (it's not as if things have changed though)



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Kasz216 said:

 

I shifted quite a bit right economically.  I can only blame it on the the extreme failure of Keynsian economics (again) and the new government regulations basically being pinpointed by most economists as what is holding back job hiring.

Time and time again Keynsian economics fails, yet politicians keep trying it, because you won't lose your job if you try but fail and pretend you did something helpful.



Out of interest what do you propose? Keynesian economics was ditched in the 70's, it only (partially) resurfaced after the global financial crisis to prop up the very institutions that favoured ditching Keynesian economics. It didn't cause the current economic crisis.



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Badassbab said:
Kasz216 said:

 

I shifted quite a bit right economically.  I can only blame it on the the extreme failure of Keynsian economics (again) and the new government regulations basically being pinpointed by most economists as what is holding back job hiring.

Time and time again Keynsian economics fails, yet politicians keep trying it, because you won't lose your job if you try but fail and pretend you did something helpful.



Out of interest what do you propose? Keynesian economics was ditched in the 70's, it only (partially) resurfaced after the global financial crisis to prop up the very institutions that favoured ditching Keynesian economics. It didn't cause the current economic crisis.

Arguably, Keynesian economics did help create the American crisis.

Our housing markets failed due in part to the government creating incentives for people to purchase houses (a classic Keynesian idea - incentivize consumption). Furthermore, the Community Reinvestment Act was/is a partial culprit in the crisis which (again) has roots in Keynesian economics of the 1970s which continued to grow and maturate in such a way to give significant power to incentivizing housing sales for those that could ill afford it.



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mrstickball said:
Badassbab said:
Kasz216 said:

 

I shifted quite a bit right economically.  I can only blame it on the the extreme failure of Keynsian economics (again) and the new government regulations basically being pinpointed by most economists as what is holding back job hiring.

Time and time again Keynsian economics fails, yet politicians keep trying it, because you won't lose your job if you try but fail and pretend you did something helpful.



Out of interest what do you propose? Keynesian economics was ditched in the 70's, it only (partially) resurfaced after the global financial crisis to prop up the very institutions that favoured ditching Keynesian economics. It didn't cause the current economic crisis.

Arguably, Keynesian economics did help create the American crisis.

Our housing markets failed due in part to the government creating incentives for people to purchase houses (a classic Keynesian idea - incentivize consumption). Furthermore, the Community Reinvestment Act was/is a partial culprit in the crisis which (again) has roots in Keynesian economics of the 1970s which continued to grow and maturate in such a way to give significant power to incentivizing housing sales for those that could ill afford it.

Arguably yes but Keynesian economics never intended it to be used in conjunction with monetarism. With the deregulation of the Financial institution starting in the 1970's remnants of Keynesians economics did stay with us (and to the benefit of the banks and lenders). It was a lethal mix.



sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


Well hell,  the times he lived in were depressing.  The level of power the working class has in any democracy today would shock marx greatly, as he literally thought it was impossible.

Essentially Marx was going off a "we're screwed we gotta tip the whole system over" mindset.

Well, back then it was the evil bourgeois who ran things, so you can see where he was coming from. (it's not as if things have changed though)

Because Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev were all impoverished, right?

Oddly enough, one of the central beliefs of socialism seems to be that the ruling class is extraordinarily wealthy and powerful. Look at the Labour Party.



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