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Ever since E3, there's been quite of us who have been wondering how powerful the system will end up. The Japanese Garden demo disappointed some, and not so long ago we found out it was actually displaying images on both TV and the U controller. But the story doesn't end here; it seems that footage shown off during the conference was worse than the actual demo on the show floors.

Why would Nintendo show off a worse tech demo?

Here's the graphics comparison:

Wii U - Garden Demo had better graphics on E3 show floor


Screen comparison 1:
The bird's feathers in the back are rounded in the second pic, while in the first they are more pointed due to less polygons on the bird. Also on the tree branch, there is almost no shadows in the first pic, while in the second pic they are many of them. 


Screen comparison 2: 
Again in the second picture from the show floor playable demo, the tree has many more shadows then original presentation video. The bird's back has more textures giving it a more realistic look as well. 




Screen comparison 3:
The first picture shows a large rock next to the tree trunk, but in the second that rock is gone with plants replacing it. The bird's wings in the second picture again highlight more polygons and thicker textures than the first pic's more ridged flat look. 



Screen comparison 4:
Look at the flower in the bird's beak in both pictures. The flower is fully textured on bump mapped even with the Pistils showing in the middle. Compared with the flat shaded flower in the first picture from the presentation video, you can see a big difference between the two. The bird's belly in the second picture also has some form of HDR lighting and fur shading textures to give a more real look than the bird in the first picture.



 Screen comparison 5:
The bird in the second picture actually has light reflection off it's eyeball, while the bird in the first picture has more of a flat lighting on it's body in comparison. 





Starting from the top down, we have 5 sets of screen shots from the Japanese Garden Demo for the Wii U. In each set, the first picture is from Nintendo's E3 presentation demo video when Reggie told the audience that this was an "early sample of what the system can do". The second picture in each set are from the Garden tech demo that was playable in real-time on the show floor. 

Reggie had said in an interview that the Garden tech demo presentation was made with early dev kit hardware and was just a small example of what was coming. The show floor demo was improved quite a lot in comparison. Improved polygons, bump mapping and textures on the bird, followed with overall lighting and shadows improvements were added to the playable tech demo. It's really nice seeing Nintendo go the extra mile on a lot of these details that could otherwise be easily missed. The power debate for the Wii U has been ongoing in most the Nintendo forums, but the fact remains that the dev kits are still not finalized yet and improvements are still being made.

This real-time demo has to be a good indicator as to what to expect graphically from the Wii U, but I'm willing to bet that full games made from the ground up on the system will end up looking better than this in the long run. The report that some developers have been able to port full 360/PS3 games looking exactly same in mere weeks to the console is a good indicator of it's power I'd say. Nintendo is not one to show off graphics unless they actually have something to show and are proud of it. This demo to go along with Zelda are amazing examples of what the future could hold graphically in our games to come. 

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The answer is simple, at the time of E3 Video being captured Nintendo (probably) didn't have an adequate supply of hardware that could play the more advanced version in real-time ...

Suppose for a moment that the Wii U is using a heavily customized version of the Radeon HD 4850 chipset that performs at somewhere around 150% to 200% the level of the stock processor. The actual chip isn't completed and Nintendo won't have any until they're much closer to release so they can't use that processor so they settle on using the stock chip. Unfortunately, the only chips they can get their hands on are manufactured using a 55nm process and run far too hot to put into the Wii U case so they're under-clocked and run at 50% to 66% of what their standard clock-speed is. Since you want the demo to run at 720p above 30fps you start pulling out effects until you get your desired performance.



You saw the same thing with the games they showed: early development. Even rather rough. Nintendo just didn't have the time.
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the last pic looks amazing even in low quality. can't wait too see more. nice find!



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Very interesting find, definitely can't wait for more wii u graphic tech demos at that.



           

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Probably is a simple resolution matter or something.



So they can set our expectations low and then when they get the better tech demos we will be like "WHOA! This is awesome" And we buy it on launch day due to hype



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Mad55 said:
Probably is a simple resolution matter or something.

In this case it is more than just the resolution. There is better lighting, shadows, textures etc…  

OT:

Nintendo does not like to show more than what they can do on a machine. Why let people think it can do graphics that might not be as good in the end product?

They know they are going to battle the next gen PS and Xbox so they will have a powerful enough console even though it might not be as powerful on paper in the end

 



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HappySqurriel said:

The answer is simple, at the time of E3 Video being captured Nintendo (probably) didn't have an adequate supply of hardware that could play the more advanced version in real-time ...

Suppose for a moment that the Wii U is using a heavily customized version of the Radeon HD 4850 chipset that performs at somewhere around 150% to 200% the level of the stock processor. The actual chip isn't completed and Nintendo won't have any until they're much closer to release so they can't use that processor so they settle on using the stock chip. Unfortunately, the only chips they can get their hands on are manufactured using a 55nm process and run far too hot to put into the Wii U case so they're under-clocked and run at 50% to 66% of what their standard clock-speed is. Since you want the demo to run at 720p above 30fps you start pulling out effects until you get your desired performance.

If the demo was ready to be shown at the show floor it could have been recorded for the conference too. But I just remembered there were some reports on framerate drops during the demo, maybe that's the reason why they took it down a notch for everyone to see it smooth.

I just thought it was weird they didn't show the best they had available. Japanese humility.



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Roma said:
Mad55 said:
Probably is a simple resolution matter or something.

In this case it is more than just the resolution. There is better lighting, shadows, textures etc…  

OT:

Nintendo does not like to show more than what they can do on a machine. Why let people think it can do graphics that might not be as good in the end product?

They know they are going to battle the next gen PS and Xbox so they will have a powerful enough console even though it might not be as powerful on paper in the end

 

ahhh your prob right, i hadnt looked at the pics to closely.