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Do you believe the USA government was involved in 9/11?

Yes 181 40.58%
 
No 201 45.07%
 
Maybe 61 13.68%
 
Total:443
sethnintendo on 19 June 2011

Answered by what? You haven't answered anything. Do you really think that these terrorist who barely had any flight abilities were able to fly a jetliner into the Pentagon. Most experts pilots say the maneuvers the planes made during 9/11 were impossible for an inexperienced pilot.  They could barely fly the training planes.  So they can't even control a small airplane....  How can they fly a jetliner?



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Tony_Stark on 19 June 2011
Metallicube said:

So, I'm going to stop arguing with people here, or at least tone it down, because obviously their mind is made up, as mine is, and continuing to talk in circles like this would eventually being to drive me nuts, as I'm sure it would many of you. But I just have one question for the supporters of the official conspiracy theory. I'm genuinely curious about this...

When you look at this footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Do you HONESTLY believe that this building imploding was a result of a few office fires and debris damage on on side? And here are a few fun facts to keep in mind.
- NO steel building has EVER collapsed from fire... in the history of the world, let alone at freefall acceleration.

- NO plane hit this building. This building was also the farthest away from WTC 1 and 2, yet the other WTC buildings, positioned MUCH closer, DID NOT collapse.

- This footage was NOT sped up. This 47 story building REALLY came down as rapidly as you witness it; in its own footprint, barely damaging surrounding structures, in... get this... SEVEN SECONDS. Near freefall acceleration, which is impossible unless there is NO resistance from the floors below.

- One of the two people trapped in this building, WTC 7, went on record saying their were explosions in the building, causing the floors below him to cave in. He also claimed to be stepping over bodies. Guess what? He mysteriously died just DAYS before the final NIST report of this building's collapse.

- Molten metal was found at the bottom of this tower - not possible with fire. And remember, no plane hit it.

- This building housed many important government documents, including cases on insider trading and the unethical practices of companies like Enron.

- Larry Silverstein owned this building, along with WTC 1 and 2, which were coincidentally the only WTC buildings that collapsed. He set up a massive insurance policy covering acts of terrorism, just weeks before 9/11. He did not own the other WTC towers, which again, were positioned CLOSER to the main towers that fell practically on them. And guess what? The other towers did not collapse.

- Like WTC 1 and 2, this building had dozens of thick steel beams running from the basement to the roof. This building couldn't implode symmetrically without ALL beams failing simultaneously.

- And remember, this is only one of literally a THOUSAND pieces of evidence. This is just one of the biggest smoking guns for me, so I was curious as to what you official conspiracy theory supporters think.

Did this building fall organically from fires and debris pelting one side, or not? Not trying to be a smart ass or anything, just honestly curious as to what you think.


I don't know, and I really don't care, this building had nothing to do with the twin towers falling. It was an isolated incident that could have been a demolition, But if that is the case, it wasn't planned by the government, it was planned by a private party. It very well could have been that somebody knew about the imminant attacks, and took advantage of the information. I know this may be purely anecdotal, but my dad worked at IBM in Rochester, MN at the time, and he said that on 9/11 there wasn't a single muslim that showed up to work that day. Not a single one. Now, you don't think they knew?



"with great power, comes great responsibility."

Max King of the Wild on 19 June 2011
Tony_Stark said:
Metallicube said:

So, I'm going to stop arguing with people here, or at least tone it down, because obviously their mind is made up, as mine is, and continuing to talk in circles like this would eventually being to drive me nuts, as I'm sure it would many of you. But I just have one question for the supporters of the official conspiracy theory. I'm genuinely curious about this...

When you look at this footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Do you HONESTLY believe that this building imploding was a result of a few office fires and debris damage on on side? And here are a few fun facts to keep in mind.
- NO steel building has EVER collapsed from fire... in the history of the world, let alone at freefall acceleration.

- NO plane hit this building. This building was also the farthest away from WTC 1 and 2, yet the other WTC buildings, positioned MUCH closer, DID NOT collapse.

- This footage was NOT sped up. This 47 story building REALLY came down as rapidly as you witness it; in its own footprint, barely damaging surrounding structures, in... get this... SEVEN SECONDS. Near freefall acceleration, which is impossible unless there is NO resistance from the floors below.

- One of the two people trapped in this building, WTC 7, went on record saying their were explosions in the building, causing the floors below him to cave in. He also claimed to be stepping over bodies. Guess what? He mysteriously died just DAYS before the final NIST report of this building's collapse.

- Molten metal was found at the bottom of this tower - not possible with fire. And remember, no plane hit it.

- This building housed many important government documents, including cases on insider trading and the unethical practices of companies like Enron.

- Larry Silverstein owned this building, along with WTC 1 and 2, which were coincidentally the only WTC buildings that collapsed. He set up a massive insurance policy covering acts of terrorism, just weeks before 9/11. He did not own the other WTC towers, which again, were positioned CLOSER to the main towers that fell practically on them. And guess what? The other towers did not collapse.

- Like WTC 1 and 2, this building had dozens of thick steel beams running from the basement to the roof. This building couldn't implode symmetrically without ALL beams failing simultaneously.

- And remember, this is only one of literally a THOUSAND pieces of evidence. This is just one of the biggest smoking guns for me, so I was curious as to what you official conspiracy theory supporters think.

Did this building fall organically from fires and debris pelting one side, or not? Not trying to be a smart ass or anything, just honestly curious as to what you think.


I don't know, and I really don't care, this building had nothing to do with the twin towers falling. It was an isolated incident that could have been a demolition, But if that is the case, it wasn't planned by the government, it was planned by a private party. It very well could have been that somebody knew about the imminant attacks, and took advantage of the information. I know this may be purely anecdotal, but my dad worked at IBM in Rochester, MN at the time, and he said that on 9/11 there wasn't a single muslim that showed up to work that day. Not a single one. Now, you don't think they knew?


Lol... not a single one? so all the muslims in the country knew about the attack? even the ones who had nothing to do with it? or culd your dad just be mistakened?



Max King of the Wild on 19 June 2011
sethnintendo said:

Answered by what? You haven't answered anything. Do you really think that these terrorist who barely had any flight abilities were able to fly a jetliner into the Pentagon. Most experts pilots say the maneuvers the planes made during 9/11 were impossible for an inexperienced pilot.  They could barely fly the training planes.  So they can't even control a small airplane....  How can they fly a jetliner?



I have no plane flying experience... but i bet you 14 virgins i can crash a plane if i were flying



Tony_Stark on 19 June 2011
Max King of the Wild said:
Tony_Stark said:
Metallicube said:

So, I'm going to stop arguing with people here, or at least tone it down, because obviously their mind is made up, as mine is, and continuing to talk in circles like this would eventually being to drive me nuts, as I'm sure it would many of you. But I just have one question for the supporters of the official conspiracy theory. I'm genuinely curious about this...

When you look at this footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Do you HONESTLY believe that this building imploding was a result of a few office fires and debris damage on on side? And here are a few fun facts to keep in mind.
- NO steel building has EVER collapsed from fire... in the history of the world, let alone at freefall acceleration.

- NO plane hit this building. This building was also the farthest away from WTC 1 and 2, yet the other WTC buildings, positioned MUCH closer, DID NOT collapse.

- This footage was NOT sped up. This 47 story building REALLY came down as rapidly as you witness it; in its own footprint, barely damaging surrounding structures, in... get this... SEVEN SECONDS. Near freefall acceleration, which is impossible unless there is NO resistance from the floors below.

- One of the two people trapped in this building, WTC 7, went on record saying their were explosions in the building, causing the floors below him to cave in. He also claimed to be stepping over bodies. Guess what? He mysteriously died just DAYS before the final NIST report of this building's collapse.

- Molten metal was found at the bottom of this tower - not possible with fire. And remember, no plane hit it.

- This building housed many important government documents, including cases on insider trading and the unethical practices of companies like Enron.

- Larry Silverstein owned this building, along with WTC 1 and 2, which were coincidentally the only WTC buildings that collapsed. He set up a massive insurance policy covering acts of terrorism, just weeks before 9/11. He did not own the other WTC towers, which again, were positioned CLOSER to the main towers that fell practically on them. And guess what? The other towers did not collapse.

- Like WTC 1 and 2, this building had dozens of thick steel beams running from the basement to the roof. This building couldn't implode symmetrically without ALL beams failing simultaneously.

- And remember, this is only one of literally a THOUSAND pieces of evidence. This is just one of the biggest smoking guns for me, so I was curious as to what you official conspiracy theory supporters think.

Did this building fall organically from fires and debris pelting one side, or not? Not trying to be a smart ass or anything, just honestly curious as to what you think.


I don't know, and I really don't care, this building had nothing to do with the twin towers falling. It was an isolated incident that could have been a demolition, But if that is the case, it wasn't planned by the government, it was planned by a private party. It very well could have been that somebody knew about the imminant attacks, and took advantage of the information. I know this may be purely anecdotal, but my dad worked at IBM in Rochester, MN at the time, and he said that on 9/11 there wasn't a single muslim that showed up to work that day. Not a single one. Now, you don't think they knew?


Lol... not a single one? so all the muslims in the country knew about the attack? even the ones who had nothing to do with it? or culd your dad just be mistakened?


Rochester is highly populated by muslims, even if my dad was mistaken, and a few actually did show up for work, the fact that a majority didn't. on that specific day, is very telling.



"with great power, comes great responsibility."

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Max King of the Wild on 19 June 2011
Tony_Stark said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Tony_Stark said:
Metallicube said:

So, I'm going to stop arguing with people here, or at least tone it down, because obviously their mind is made up, as mine is, and continuing to talk in circles like this would eventually being to drive me nuts, as I'm sure it would many of you. But I just have one question for the supporters of the official conspiracy theory. I'm genuinely curious about this...

When you look at this footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Do you HONESTLY believe that this building imploding was a result of a few office fires and debris damage on on side? And here are a few fun facts to keep in mind.
- NO steel building has EVER collapsed from fire... in the history of the world, let alone at freefall acceleration.

- NO plane hit this building. This building was also the farthest away from WTC 1 and 2, yet the other WTC buildings, positioned MUCH closer, DID NOT collapse.

- This footage was NOT sped up. This 47 story building REALLY came down as rapidly as you witness it; in its own footprint, barely damaging surrounding structures, in... get this... SEVEN SECONDS. Near freefall acceleration, which is impossible unless there is NO resistance from the floors below.

- One of the two people trapped in this building, WTC 7, went on record saying their were explosions in the building, causing the floors below him to cave in. He also claimed to be stepping over bodies. Guess what? He mysteriously died just DAYS before the final NIST report of this building's collapse.

- Molten metal was found at the bottom of this tower - not possible with fire. And remember, no plane hit it.

- This building housed many important government documents, including cases on insider trading and the unethical practices of companies like Enron.

- Larry Silverstein owned this building, along with WTC 1 and 2, which were coincidentally the only WTC buildings that collapsed. He set up a massive insurance policy covering acts of terrorism, just weeks before 9/11. He did not own the other WTC towers, which again, were positioned CLOSER to the main towers that fell practically on them. And guess what? The other towers did not collapse.

- Like WTC 1 and 2, this building had dozens of thick steel beams running from the basement to the roof. This building couldn't implode symmetrically without ALL beams failing simultaneously.

- And remember, this is only one of literally a THOUSAND pieces of evidence. This is just one of the biggest smoking guns for me, so I was curious as to what you official conspiracy theory supporters think.

Did this building fall organically from fires and debris pelting one side, or not? Not trying to be a smart ass or anything, just honestly curious as to what you think.


I don't know, and I really don't care, this building had nothing to do with the twin towers falling. It was an isolated incident that could have been a demolition, But if that is the case, it wasn't planned by the government, it was planned by a private party. It very well could have been that somebody knew about the imminant attacks, and took advantage of the information. I know this may be purely anecdotal, but my dad worked at IBM in Rochester, MN at the time, and he said that on 9/11 there wasn't a single muslim that showed up to work that day. Not a single one. Now, you don't think they knew?


Lol... not a single one? so all the muslims in the country knew about the attack? even the ones who had nothing to do with it? or culd your dad just be mistakened?


Rochester is highly populated by muslims, even if my dad was mistaken, and a few actually did show up for work, the fact that a majority didn't. on that specific day, is very telling.



very telling of what? so youre saying every muslim in the country had some kind of involvement in 9/11? LOL do you understand the implications of your statement?



HappySqurriel on 19 June 2011
sethnintendo said:

Answered by what? You haven't answered anything. Do you really think that these terrorist who barely had any flight abilities were able to fly a jetliner into the Pentagon. Most experts pilots say the maneuvers the planes made during 9/11 were impossible for an inexperienced pilot.  They could barely fly the training planes.  So they can't even control a small airplane....  How can they fly a jetliner?

I'm pretty sure you could crash a plane successfully after it was up in the air and you spent months training on a flight simulator.



sethnintendo on 19 June 2011
Max King of the Wild said:
sethnintendo said:

Answered by what? You haven't answered anything. Do you really think that these terrorist who barely had any flight abilities were able to fly a jetliner into the Pentagon. Most experts pilots say the maneuvers the planes made during 9/11 were impossible for an inexperienced pilot.  They could barely fly the training planes.  So they can't even control a small airplane....  How can they fly a jetliner?



I have no plane flying experience... but i bet you 14 virgins i can crash a plane if i were flying

I am sure you can crash it but I am sure you can't crash it in an exact spot.



sethnintendo on 19 June 2011
HappySqurriel said:
sethnintendo said:

Answered by what? You haven't answered anything. Do you really think that these terrorist who barely had any flight abilities were able to fly a jetliner into the Pentagon. Most experts pilots say the maneuvers the planes made during 9/11 were impossible for an inexperienced pilot.  They could barely fly the training planes.  So they can't even control a small airplane....  How can they fly a jetliner?

I'm pretty sure you could crash a plane successfully after it was up in the air and you spent months training on a flight simulator.


I am pretty sure they didn't have access to a real flight simulator.  They might have "trained" on Microsoft Flight Simulator but that isn't even close to an actual flight simulator.  Anyways, most experienced pilots would have difficulty preforming some of the maneuvers that the planes did.  According to the official report the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon did pretty much a 360 turn before hitting the Pentagon that most pilots say at 500 knots they couldn't even do.

 

edit- Okay, I was able to find info that they were doing actual flight simulator.  Doesn't this next paragraph raise a bunch of red flags though...

On August 10, shortly after getting the money from Binalshibh, Moussaoui left Oklahoma with a friend and drove to Minnesota. Three days later, Moussaoui paid the $6,800 balance owed for his flight simulator training at Pan Am in cash and began his training. His conduct, however, raised the suspicions of his flight instructor. It was unusual for a student with so little training to be learning to fly large jets without any intention of obtaining a pilot's license or other goal. On August 16, once the instructor reported his suspicion to the authorities, Moussaoui was arrested by the INS on immigration charges.159

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm

 

So why the hell are they allowing them to do flight simulators when they have no incentive to obtain a pilot's license?  There should have been red flags all over the place for them.  They were paying in cash (red flag), they didn't care to obtain pilot license (red flag), possibly ties to extremist (red flag), etc... Basically, if there wasn't any government involvement (like you insist) then the government pretty much allowed it to happen (aka Pearl Harbor).  Thus involving the government since they just let it happen so we could go to war.



HappySqurriel on 19 June 2011
sethnintendo said:
HappySqurriel said:
sethnintendo said:

Answered by what? You haven't answered anything. Do you really think that these terrorist who barely had any flight abilities were able to fly a jetliner into the Pentagon. Most experts pilots say the maneuvers the planes made during 9/11 were impossible for an inexperienced pilot.  They could barely fly the training planes.  So they can't even control a small airplane....  How can they fly a jetliner?

I'm pretty sure you could crash a plane successfully after it was up in the air and you spent months training on a flight simulator.


I am pretty sure they didn't have access to a real flight simulator.  They might have "trained" on Microsoft Flight Simulator but that isn't even close to an actual flight simulator.  Anyways, most experienced pilots would have difficulty preforming some of the maneuvers that the planes did.  According to the official report the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon did pretty much a 360 turn before hitting the Pentagon that most pilots say at 500 knots they couldn't even do.

Please define "Most Pilots" and "Couldn't even do"?

By "Most Pilots" do you mean a handful of unemployed pilots that can't find work who are interviewed in a conspiracy theory movie?

By "Couldn't even do" do you mean pilots who wouldn't feel comfortable doing that because the possibility of something going wrong is more than they are willing to accept?

 

 

On top of that, you don't need a full flight simulator for what they were doing. If I gave a 14 year old Gran Turismo 5 with a steering wheel, had them learn how to play the game, put him in a cube van and asked him to drive it in a small loop and line up to hit a dumpster on the other side of a (mostly empty) parking lot I'm sure he could be successful. Even though taking him on the highway would be a nightmare, and you wouldn't want to see him parallel park it, there is no reason to believe he couldn't successfully crash it in the way you want him to.