Xen said: darthdevidem01 said: Kirameo said: Why don't you two get a room? I want to remain a Virgin until marriage. Let him do you in your ass instea... Oh, right! Sorry for intruding.

Me penetrating or someone else penetrating me, the mere scandalous act of physical joining before holy marriage means my heart and soul is un-virgin-d according to romance novels....so I will still lose my virginity from within then.

darthdevidem01 said: How does this make the Japanese devs awesome for some reason? It makes nintendo awesome if anything. Besides things Japanese devs did 15 years ago won't erase the fact that most of them are wayyy behind now, sorry.

how are they way behind?

darthdevidem01 said: Xxain said: darthdevidem01 said: Xxain said: darthdevidem01 said: How does this make the Japanese devs awesome for some reason? It makes nintendo awesome if anything. Besides things Japanese devs did 15 years ago won't erase the fact that most of them are wayyy behind now, sorry. 1. Nintendo IS a Japanese Developer. 2. Only a Japanese could Create a Genre changing Idea from something so simple that the ordinary Developer wouldn't even pay attention too. 3. Yes... Final Fantasy XIII is behind. We know that, cant even create Towns WKC,ToV, and SO4 did that in 2008 awww someones mad, when one has no good retort, they go down to insulting the oppositions liked products. Anyway your thread title is pretty much hyperbole-ish....nothing in this proves Japanese devs are awesome now..or back then...in fact your point 2 is downright insulting to Western Devs....Japanese brains don't have some special brain cells that means only they can create "genre changing" ideas from "simple" events...loool. .....Most Japanese devs are wayyy behind now. From not only this thread but other posts of yours regarding Western Devs vs Japanese ones on the forums it seems you have created a brick wall of pretense that Japanese devs are still at the top, they are not, the Western devs are far better now, even Japanese devs admit this. Good day. Im actually not made at all, The FF Xlll comment was actually joke based on your perception on the Japanese industry. It sure didnt bother you in Xlll..it was a irony comment not a insult, but I obviously struck a cord. Irony continues with your hyberbolish comment title... your one to speak lol of course you are mad, you get hyper when anyone even slightly insults Japanese devs, everyone on this site knows this. Why else would go into gross generalizations that are almost down right racist (Only a Japanese could Create a Genre changing Idea from something so simple) ......that is still cracking me up. You have many other such quotes I should've saved! As far as I'm concerned FFXIII, SO4 and WKC are just more proof of how backwards Japanese devs are this gen (and those games are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of me seeing that and others)....each of those three games are regressive for different reasons that have been seen enough in media reviews and reception....sure I might like those games more than many WRPG's but that doesn't mean they are more progressive, all three look like a laughing stock in front of Elder Scrolls V Skyrim (and other western games), quite frankly on a technical level and other levels. Step 1...accept (Japanese devs have done this including one from your beloved Capcom don't forget). Step 2....improve. I'm not saying all Japanese devs have regressed now, but using some cool thing made 15 years ago by Nintendo and turning it into a "JP DEVS ARE AAWESOME" circle jerk thread won't have me joining in I'm afraid, they aren't awesome anymore on the whole, they as an industry on the whole are at a pathetic level as we saw at E3 just now..their presence is shockingly low and bordering on irrelevancy on some fronts....and many other media sites have picked up on this recently. ***All of the above comments don't include handheld games quality...Japanese devs pwn on handhelds.

No im not mad, If I was mad I would be making post big as yours. You are obviously mad and even offended. You would have a point if Z-Targeting still wasnt used today. A Idea 15 years ago is still being used as the absolute lock on system and Nobody ha surpassed that Idea... thats fantastic. The way play games change's every Gen but the fact that Z-Targeting still exist unchanged is accomplishment. Or course Japanese Developers are declining, specifically JRPG's which Ive made MANY topics too... but when all developers do is make the same over and over( or a worse frequency than Japanese) but throw there own Story in.. you cant praised them either Japan may be weaker but they still are, want, and desire to something new a fresh even if its praised like FF Xlll and RoF DmC or LoS and thats what I care about ... the will to WANT to advance. Western developers dont have that.. If activision could keep CoD the same they would same with every other Western developer .. but look at Japan SE changes FF EVERYTIME.. even when they dont have to... it would still sell millions, but they do it because they actually care about what they do.

Mad55 said: darthdevidem01 said: How does this make the Japanese devs awesome for some reason? It makes nintendo awesome if anything. Besides things Japanese devs did 15 years ago won't erase the fact that most of them are wayyy behind now, sorry. how are they way behind?

Barring a few rare exceptions (20% of which are Kojima Productions lol) they are way behind in management processes, development processes, writing, technical level, engines, direction etc. There are so many more things more educated gamers could tell you, I don;t feel like lifting posts from neogaf though, thats cheating.

Some are so panicked they are giving away some of their most important series' to western devs to make (DMC for example).

This is all showing now, and at E3 the sheer level of irrelevancy Japanese devs had is shocking not to mention at last TGS many many journalists from here expressed great concern towards the industry, as did Japanese devs (Inafune at the foremost)....to us on forums it was "DOOMZ GLOOMZ"....but far more industry aware and educated people than us felt there is a problem somewhere and more n more I realised this too.

This site has some of the most pro Japan gaming people I have ever seen so I know most people here would never accept this, but all of what I just mentioned is not an opinion now, but among media sites/journalists and many Japanese devs its actually a fact they are accepting now.

The best thing is most of them admit to this now so they are wanting to improve and are improving, I predict a renaissance in Japanese development beginning soon.

Of course once again all of the above for the most part related to home consoles, notably HD. On handhelds they have been ahead of everyone else.

Girls.. always bickering about nothing..

Anyway this proves Ninjas > pirates

darthdevidem01 said: Mad55 said: darthdevidem01 said: How does this make the Japanese devs awesome for some reason? It makes nintendo awesome if anything. Besides things Japanese devs did 15 years ago won't erase the fact that most of them are wayyy behind now, sorry. how are they way behind? Barring a few rare exceptions (20% of which are Kojima Productions lol) they are way behind in management processes, development processes, writing, technical level, engines, direction etc. There are so many more things more educated gamers could tell you, I don;t feel like lifting posts from neogaf though, thats cheating. Some are so panicked they are giving away some of their most important series' to western devs to make (DMC for example). This is all showing now, and at E3 the sheer level of irrelevancy Japanese devs had is shocking not to mention at last TGS many many journalists from here expressed great concern towards the industry, as did Japanese devs (Inafune at the foremost)....to us on forums it was "DOOMZ GLOOMZ"....but far more industry aware and educated people than us felt there is a problem somewhere and more n more I realised this too. This site has some of the most pro Japan gaming people I have ever seen so I know most people here would never accept this, but all of what I just mentioned is not an opinion now, but among media sites/journalists and many Japanese devs its actually a fact they are accepting now. The best thing is most of them admit to this now so they are wanting to improve and are improving, I predict a renaissance in Japanese development beginning soon. Of course once again all of the above for the most part related to home consoles, notably HD. On handhelds they have been ahead of everyone else.

well some of that is right on. but the whole e3 irrelavancy isnt fair. as its an american expo, look at tgs how many western games are shown. and yes their development processes are horrible. though you said their behind in writng and i dont think that right as i can name more japanese games this gen with better stories than western.....naaah neva mind but their not far behind in that aspect. also i can kinda see what he means about the z targeting in that japanese seem to find enlightenment in simple things i dont hear about that to much in western devlopers more they just think up good things on their own.

Xxain said: darthdevidem01 said: Xxain said: darthdevidem01 said: Xxain said: darthdevidem01 said: How does this make the Japanese devs awesome for some reason? It makes nintendo awesome if anything. Besides things Japanese devs did 15 years ago won't erase the fact that most of them are wayyy behind now, sorry. 1. Nintendo IS a Japanese Developer. 2. Only a Japanese could Create a Genre changing Idea from something so simple that the ordinary Developer wouldn't even pay attention too. 3. Yes... Final Fantasy XIII is behind. We know that, cant even create Towns WKC,ToV, and SO4 did that in 2008 awww someones mad, when one has no good retort, they go down to insulting the oppositions liked products. Anyway your thread title is pretty much hyperbole-ish....nothing in this proves Japanese devs are awesome now..or back then...in fact your point 2 is downright insulting to Western Devs....Japanese brains don't have some special brain cells that means only they can create "genre changing" ideas from "simple" events...loool. .....Most Japanese devs are wayyy behind now. From not only this thread but other posts of yours regarding Western Devs vs Japanese ones on the forums it seems you have created a brick wall of pretense that Japanese devs are still at the top, they are not, the Western devs are far better now, even Japanese devs admit this. Good day. Im actually not made at all, The FF Xlll comment was actually joke based on your perception on the Japanese industry. It sure didnt bother you in Xlll..it was a irony comment not a insult, but I obviously struck a cord. Irony continues with your hyberbolish comment title... your one to speak lol of course you are mad, you get hyper when anyone even slightly insults Japanese devs, everyone on this site knows this. Why else would go into gross generalizations that are almost down right racist (Only a Japanese could Create a Genre changing Idea from something so simple) ......that is still cracking me up. You have many other such quotes I should've saved! As far as I'm concerned FFXIII, SO4 and WKC are just more proof of how backwards Japanese devs are this gen (and those games are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of me seeing that and others)....each of those three games are regressive for different reasons that have been seen enough in media reviews and reception....sure I might like those games more than many WRPG's but that doesn't mean they are more progressive, all three look like a laughing stock in front of Elder Scrolls V Skyrim (and other western games), quite frankly on a technical level and other levels. Step 1...accept (Japanese devs have done this including one from your beloved Capcom don't forget). Step 2....improve. I'm not saying all Japanese devs have regressed now, but using some cool thing made 15 years ago by Nintendo and turning it into a "JP DEVS ARE AAWESOME" circle jerk thread won't have me joining in I'm afraid, they aren't awesome anymore on the whole, they as an industry on the whole are at a pathetic level as we saw at E3 just now..their presence is shockingly low and bordering on irrelevancy on some fronts....and many other media sites have picked up on this recently. ***All of the above comments don't include handheld games quality...Japanese devs pwn on handhelds. No im not mad, If I was mad I would be making post big as yours. You are obviously mad and even offended. You would have a point if Z-Targeting still wasnt used today. A Idea 15 years ago is still being used as the absolute lock on system and Nobody ha surpassed that Idea... thats fantastic. The way play games change's every Gen but the fact that Z-Targeting still exist unchanged is accomplishment. Or course Japanese Developers are declining, specifically JRPG's which Ive made MANY topics too... but when all developers do is make the same over and over( or a worse frequency than Japanese) but throw there own Story in.. you cant praised them either Japan may be weaker but they still are, want, and desire to something new a fresh even if its praised like FF Xlll and RoF DmC or LoS and thats what I care about ... the will to WANT to advance. Western developers dont have that.. If activision could keep CoD the same they would same with every other Western developer .. but look at Japan SE changes FF EVERYTIME.. even when they dont have to... it would still sell millions, but they do it because they actually care about what they do.

I am mad at Japanese devs yes, they seem to have let everything slip out of their hand.

I like the JRPG genre because its a genre brimming with diversity BUT on a technical level and other levels the Japanese are now simply objectively behind the West, they just are...its very obvious. This applies to other genre's too (from TPS to racing to platforming..just thank goodness for MGS4 which holds the flag high on the stealth genre).

They weren't before though, not at all..in the 90's are early 00's they were very very ahead on a technical level and they combined this with their creativity and whatever to make genre defining and top class experiences. Now the Japanese don't make genre defining experiences anymore according to the majority, why is this? It shouldn't be...I will whine till they reclaim their lost glory! Yet they manage to make genre defining experiences on the hand helds...so its not like their talent has disappeared....so I must whine so they are motivated to improve.

Now western devs are combining creativity (yes xxain western devs DO think up of new ideas..more so than Japanese devs have this gen...we'll have to agree to disagree on this) and great technical prowess....and they do all this in a reasonable budget.

Either way they are improving and as I said in my last post I expect a renaissance in Japanese games development soon, I hope TGS will bring this to light.

Anyway I won't derail the thread further, I will strike at TGS once again, this time Nikkom shall be the target.

I will say more thing: My Disgust Westerns Developer's will remain intill they aquire the mindset to WANT to advance in what they do. In all Japanese games, they always trying to find a way to freshen up the Xxperience, sometimes its a small subtle change like Castlevania Order of Ecclessia sometimes it huge like Final Fantasy Xlll or DmC.. sometimes its a success sometimes it fails but atleast they try. I will not support Developers who wish stagnant the Industry with a Mass of uncreative "Me to games" like Overdrive9 ..ugh or those who treat it only as a Money pot activision. Developers who do not to wish and advance are Industry in a Positve way are the enemy.

You all got it wrong. That this proves is that Nintendo employees are Ninjas.