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vlad321 said:
Zkuq said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
Zkuq said:
The only difference I see between this and what Valve does is that EA is different from Valve and apparently Origin doesn't have to be running in the background to be able to play a game.

Except for the fact that the last time I bought something from EA digital download wise I was only given 3 instals.


Weird, last time i bought stuff I was only given 6 months TO install, or pay $3 for another 2 years. Of course though, I never had a problem because apparently you can just move the damn installation folder and it is self contained.

Last time I used that argument, I got a counter-argument that said EA has got rid of those limits.

And that changes.... what exactly?

The whole thing? You know, no limits? Unlimited downloads forever?



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Zkuq said:
zarx said:
Antabus said:

Who said that I like this service?

I like that there is competition, it makes me hope that one day we will see a good DD-service.


Competition is one thing, fragmentation is another.

So you are sayin you want more publishers to remove their content from 3rd party DD platforms and set up there own service so you don't have price competition as content is only available on one service and you need to have a seperate profile and freinds list for each publisher? 

That sounds like a nighmare to me.

...

Valve and Blizzard already do it. The only difference is that they are some of the bigger players in the PC gaming market.


You're missing the problem. We're talking about further fragmenting the PC market. Valve did it first, yes, and it was bad... at the time, but now Steam is the largest PC DD service by twice all others combined, and it does make sense for there to be a 3rd party PC marketplace. It's not good that Blizzard keeps their games separate either. The big difference between Valve and all other marketplaces is that Valve heavily augments their digital powerhouse with value of constant sales, promotions, and discounts, and it's way too late to try to kill Steam. So many 3rd party games only play on Steam now, across many publishers like SEGA, Frictional Games, and Paradox. Again, I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it's a fact of the marketplace now: You can't get people to stop using Steam. 

I'm not saying Origin shouldn't exist. It should, and every publisher should sell their games on their own websites. What it shouldn't do is be exclusive to their own websites. It's like if Nintendo told you you would only be able to buy their products forevermore at licensed Nintendo stores, pulling them from all other retailers. A 3rd party marketplace is a great thing to have, and it's good to have competition in those marketplaces. EA isn't trying to make a 3rd party marketplace. They're trying to make their games exclusive to their own marketplace. I'd say this is the beginning of the end for EA in PC gaming, but we all know that began with Dragon Age II. Seriously, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of lost sales for Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 by snubbing Steam. 



EA just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about American culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is on Mars where you can become successful by being an *******. If you screw someone over in America, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the American public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase The Old Republic Or Crysis 2 on Origin or at retail, nor will they purchase any of EA's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but EA has alienated an entire market with this move.

EA, publicly apologize and cancel The Old Republic & Crysis 2's exclusivity for Origin or you can kiss your business goodbye.

Sorry I just could not resist!!!!!

On topic:

I really dunno if this can affect sales but I think Steam is very popular...so this is an odd move!



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naznatips said:
Zkuq said:
zarx said:
Antabus said:

Who said that I like this service?

I like that there is competition, it makes me hope that one day we will see a good DD-service.


Competition is one thing, fragmentation is another.

So you are sayin you want more publishers to remove their content from 3rd party DD platforms and set up there own service so you don't have price competition as content is only available on one service and you need to have a seperate profile and freinds list for each publisher? 

That sounds like a nighmare to me.

...

Valve and Blizzard already do it. The only difference is that they are some of the bigger players in the PC gaming market.


You're missing the problem. We're talking about further fragmenting the PC market. Valve did it first, yes, and it was bad... at the time, but now Steam is the largest PC DD service by twice all others combined, and it does make sense for there to be a 3rd party PC marketplace. It's not good that Blizzard keeps their games separate either. The big difference between Valve and all other marketplaces is that Valve heavily augments their digital powerhouse with value of constant sales, promotions, and discounts, and it's way too late to try to kill Steam. So many 3rd party games only play on Steam now, across many publishers like SEGA, Frictional Games, and Paradox. Again, I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it's a fact of the marketplace now: You can't get people to stop using Steam. 

I'm not saying Origin shouldn't exist. It should, and every publisher should sell their games on their own websites. What it shouldn't do is be exclusive to their own websites. It's like if Nintendo told you you would only be able to buy their products forevermore at licensed Nintendo stores, pulling them from all other retailers. A 3rd party marketplace is a great thing to have, and it's good to have competition in those marketplaces. EA isn't trying to make a 3rd party marketplace. They're trying to make their games exclusive to their own marketplace. I'd say this is the beginning of the end for EA in PC gaming, but we all know that began with Dragon Age II. Seriously, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of lost sales for Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 by snubbing Steam. 

I don't think I'm missing the problem. I just think that Valve shouldn't have a different set of rules for exclusivity just because they were the first one to do it successfully and because they seemingly care for gamers.



Zkuq said:

I don't think I'm missing the problem. I just think that Valve shouldn't have a different set of rules for exclusivity just because they were the first one to do it successfully and because they seemingly care for gamers.


Successful people don't have different rules? What world do you live in? As I said, Steam was just as bad an idea, and still is, but it's also a service that provides value and unification to a market that is traditionally divided, so the problems are outweighed by the benefits. EA cannot and has no intention of doing that. They just want more money for their individual published titles.



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Zkuq said:
vlad321 said:

And that changes.... what exactly?

The whole thing? You know, no limits? Unlimited downloads forever?


SO that means we should jsut forget how much EA tries to fuck with people? I also don't see my $4 or so refund on that +2 years thing I spent. Just because they realized they were idiots doesn't mean they arent' any less idiotic and won'tt ry to fuck with you again.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

naznatips said:
Zkuq said:
zarx said:
Antabus said:

Who said that I like this service?

I like that there is competition, it makes me hope that one day we will see a good DD-service.


Competition is one thing, fragmentation is another.

So you are sayin you want more publishers to remove their content from 3rd party DD platforms and set up there own service so you don't have price competition as content is only available on one service and you need to have a seperate profile and freinds list for each publisher? 

That sounds like a nighmare to me.

...

Valve and Blizzard already do it. The only difference is that they are some of the bigger players in the PC gaming market.


You're missing the problem. We're talking about further fragmenting the PC market. Valve did it first, yes, and it was bad... at the time, but now Steam is the largest PC DD service by twice all others combined, and it does make sense for there to be a 3rd party PC marketplace. It's not good that Blizzard keeps their games separate either. The big difference between Valve and all other marketplaces is that Valve heavily augments their digital powerhouse with value of constant sales, promotions, and discounts, and it's way too late to try to kill Steam. So many 3rd party games only play on Steam now, across many publishers like SEGA, Frictional Games, and Paradox. Again, I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it's a fact of the marketplace now: You can't get people to stop using Steam. 

I'm not saying Origin shouldn't exist. It should, and every publisher should sell their games on their own websites. What it shouldn't do is be exclusive to their own websites. It's like if Nintendo told you you would only be able to buy their products forevermore at licensed Nintendo stores, pulling them from all other retailers. A 3rd party marketplace is a great thing to have, and it's good to have competition in those marketplaces. EA isn't trying to make a 3rd party marketplace. They're trying to make their games exclusive to their own marketplace. I'd say this is the beginning of the end for EA in PC gaming, but we all know that began with Dragon Age II. Seriously, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of lost sales for Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 by snubbing Steam. 

I give EA by the end of the year until their next "whaa whaa whaa PC gamers don't buy stuff whaa whaa whaa " announcement. They jsut had one for DA2.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

zarx said:
Antabus said:

Who said that I like this service?

I like that there is competition, it makes me hope that one day we will see a good DD-service.


Competition is one thing, fragmentation is another.

So you are sayin you want more publishers to remove their content from 3rd party DD platforms and set up there own service so you don't have price competition as content is only available on one service and you need to have a seperate profile and freinds list for each publisher? 

That sounds like a nighmare to me.

There is already a tone of competition in the PC DD space, Apple are soon to launch their own app store for example which will sell games, MS is ramping up games for windows and are planing to intergrate it into Win 8 and then ther are Direct 2 Drive, Impulse, Desura, GoG, Little indie, Amazon, DL Gamer, GamesPlanet, GameTap, GetGames, GamersGate, Game Downloads, BeamDog, YuPlay, BigGameDownloads, GameAgent, Strategy First, GameArena, GameStreamer, GameTree and probably more I don't know about. We really don't need publisher sepecific DD serivces especially if they are going to start making games and content exclusive to their own services. And EA, Activision (actually 2 as Blizzard have their own), Ubisoft already do have online DD services.

To me a nightmare is putting all your eggs in one basket. If the basket says that you have violated their TOS for whatever reason, you will lose all your precious eggs.



naznatips said:
Zkuq said:

I don't think I'm missing the problem. I just think that Valve shouldn't have a different set of rules for exclusivity just because they were the first one to do it successfully and because they seemingly care for gamers.


Successful people don't have different rules? What world do you live in? As I said, Steam was just as bad an idea, and still is, but it's also a service that provides value and unification to a market that is traditionally divided, so the problems are outweighed by the benefits. EA cannot and has no intention of doing that. They just want more money for their individual published titles.

I said "shouldn't have", not "doesn't have". And my problem is with people giving them those different rules and not nearly as much about them (Valve) accepting those rules.

vlad321 said:
Zkuq said:
vlad321 said:

And that changes.... what exactly?

The whole thing? You know, no limits? Unlimited downloads forever?


SO that means we should jsut forget how much EA tries to fuck with people? I also don't see my $4 or so refund on that +2 years thing I spent. Just because they realized they were idiots doesn't mean they arent' any less idiotic and won'tt ry to fuck with you again.

Well doesn't really change that, only the part I responded to. I fully agree with your opinion about EA.



Antabus said:
zarx said:
Antabus said:

Who said that I like this service?

I like that there is competition, it makes me hope that one day we will see a good DD-service.


Competition is one thing, fragmentation is another.

So you are sayin you want more publishers to remove their content from 3rd party DD platforms and set up there own service so you don't have price competition as content is only available on one service and you need to have a seperate profile and freinds list for each publisher? 

That sounds like a nighmare to me.

There is already a tone of competition in the PC DD space, Apple are soon to launch their own app store for example which will sell games, MS is ramping up games for windows and are planing to intergrate it into Win 8 and then ther are Direct 2 Drive, Impulse, Desura, GoG, Little indie, Amazon, DL Gamer, GamesPlanet, GameTap, GetGames, GamersGate, Game Downloads, BeamDog, YuPlay, BigGameDownloads, GameAgent, Strategy First, GameArena, GameStreamer, GameTree and probably more I don't know about. We really don't need publisher sepecific DD serivces especially if they are going to start making games and content exclusive to their own services. And EA, Activision (actually 2 as Blizzard have their own), Ubisoft already do have online DD services.

To me a nightmare is putting all your eggs in one basket. If the basket says that you have violated their TOS for whatever reason, you will lose all your precious eggs.


There are currently 5 major 3rd party PC DD services there are plenty of baskets to put eggs, we don't need a seperate basket for every egg. Also some services let you back up your downloadable games so violating TOS isn't that big a problem for them services, so if you are the kind of person that acts like a dick or tries to game the system in some way you can stick to those services. Personaly I just make sure I don't violate the TOS but I guess not everyone has that much self control.



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