your right....its clearly below it.

While industry experts say GT has a arguably better sim aspect......almost everybody agrees that Forza is the better overall package. This is after all.........video games, and Turn 10 simply makes a better video game.

Better customization, better online modes, menus, music, track detail, more "premium cars" then GT5s 200. 

If Forza 4 is any indication, this trend is going to stay the same. 

Overall.......when Forza keeps coming out every 2 years with a 90+ metascore while GT5 takes 5 years and ships with 800 ps2 cars and gets a 84 for being sloppy on the video game side of things........well enough said.

GT5 is honestly its own worst enemy. Takes too long per release and isnt even a AAA franchise anymore 

So your saying Forza doesnt have the sales of the GT series yet. Granted but every Forza sells more then the last, bundles or not while GT5 seems to be on the decline more or less with the series track record. 

Just saying though....that being the better sim doesnt mean much when its lacking in being a video game......cause thats what it is no matter how you slice it.

Its a driving simulator video game.

Now Forza succeeds in being a great (maybe not the best) sim but also a excellent video game. Add to that it comes out every 2 years vs 5 years for GT5. 

With uncharted and gears, Halo 3 vs Reach..........your comparing games all in their 90's on metacritic. lol it doesnt matter what they are so long as they are above 90. GT5 vs forza however is another story as one is AA where as one is AAA. A much better basis to say one is clearly above the other. 

Its overall the poor time span in between releases thats hurting GT the most. 5 years per game while Turn 10 keeps cranking out new 90+ forzas every 2 years. Eventually the fans are gonna get tired of waiting when theres a perfectly overall better package on the 360 that doesnt keep their fans waiting for great sims with boring video game aspects. 

I'm not a fan of racing sims, but GT5 had a nice charm about it. The music, the menus, the graphics, it was definitely a good few months playing that game with my friends.

...But, it felt incomplete, it felt like 1 years work, but it wasn't, it was 6 years work. GT5 was a disappointment on so many levels. When I get round to trying Forza 3 or Forza 4, I honestly think I'm going to prefer it.

both different styles of games thus diffucult to make direct comparison.

i feel gt5 handling is better and theres simply so much to do in gt5 the game is packed, 3 months non stop i played gt5.

when i got hold of forza 3 i think ive only done 2 seasons and given up, i thought it was boring just going through a season which really should stay in arcade games like pgr4, no sence of accomplishment as you just recieve all the cars as you play. compare that to forza 2 it was the old school traditional way of grinding your levels to get better cars etc forza 3 with forza 2 campain would have been excellent.

also to note is lack of game content in forza 3, you have time trial, season mode, paint shop and online modes thats all

have you not realised gt5 has been massivly updated

Metascore doesn't really mean shit. 84 was moslty due to continues delay's.

And the same way how Killzone tops Halo in a lot of aspects. (Graphics, melee, better voice acting, more realisitc, weapons e.t.c.) but does that make it a better game than Halo? Halo has a much better story, more remembeale characters and mch better online e.t.c. So Forza 3 may be able to beat GT in one or two aspects but hardly any. I bought Forza 3 only because it got a 92 meta. People said it was something original and different. But it was just a fail copy GT 5 prolgue! Within a few days I threw the game in the trash (first game ever to that). The AI were dumb the online sucked, graphics weren't good at ALL! It felt more like GT made for 6 year old kids. To be honest Forza 3 is the worst game I hve ever bought. I was lucky enough not to buy the steering wheel or I would have got even more pissed.

There are still plenty of people playing GT5 so calm down. And you look like your lost somewhere in Novemeber. When fans were complaing about the ONLINE being laggy and unfinshed. And that was due to not allowing more than 500k people online at once. The issue soon got fixed. Now it runs pretty darn fast.

agreed

CGI

experiance is all that matters. was it a good game, was it fun, was it worth the 59.99 pluse tax you paid for it?

Resistance in my opinion is better then Halo, but thats just prefrence. scores only mean how much more the person/people reveiwing the game enjoyed it. you chose your own experiances, and those experiances are opinions based on that experiance.

im just glad you didn't state a fact saying Halo is better then the other KZ and Resistance cause most facts are objective opinions.