He could be right,but, he could also be wrong.
Don't forget Nintendo's franchises and they're strong relationships w/ other powerful 3rd party companies and developers.
He could be right,but, he could also be wrong.
Don't forget Nintendo's franchises and they're strong relationships w/ other powerful 3rd party companies and developers.
Being that the Wii was highly successful with "outdated" graphics against two much more powerful systems, and most of the "hardcore" gamers constantly proclaim that the HD consoles are good enough for them, there is certainly some truth to a statement that processing power and improved graphics will not attract gamers to adopt to a new generation of systems like it once did.
With that said, this plays to the strength in the strategy that Nintendo has been executing for the past 7 years. The primary focus of the Wii U is on creating game-play experiences that have not been possible before, not on raw processing power; and if Sony or Microsoft try to convince gamers to pay a premium price to have better graphics while not offering a compelling improvement to game-play they may find themselves in trouble.
| badgenome said: Actually, he said they're too late to catch the HD wave, but that the Wii U will also be very successful anyway. So they're not too late, but they'll still fail just the same. |
Which is still wrong, as the only wave was from graphics whores (which included game developers), not the public. And they haven't gotten past that, so it's not too late to catch the wave from developers.
The public is another matter (falling stocks, when they rose after E3 2006).
A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.
Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs
| Mythe said: I think he might be right. The Wii U will do well until the Xbox 720 and PS4. Then it will die like the Dreamcast. |
I totally disagree with that. Sony and Microsoft has already sold hardware at a lost. Higher development cost on the rise. I won't be surprised if they give you true 1080P like the Wii-U. Sony has already said they are cutting back on hardware for their next console.
| DélioPT said: To me, what he is saying is: "ok, there already exist two HD machines on the market who had all the impact to themselves. Now, with Wii U, Nintendo will fail to impress gamers in general because HD has already been done." This is true. But now, it`s only one side of things, because PS4 and Xbox 720 will still be in HD with better graphics. So, in a sense, if HD won`t work for Wii U, it won´t work for Sony and Microsoft`s new consoles as it did with Xbox 360 and PS3. Will they be that much powerful to still impress? No one knows. Personally i think they won`t. I see it, as many have pointed out, as PS2>GC>Xbox. About Nintendo Wii U`s power, i read in an article where some devs think that it will have 50% more processing power than PS3 and Xbox 360 - http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wii-u-is-actually-50-more-powerful-than-ps3---report/ Pachter`s mistake continues to be that "power" sells consoles. PS2 and Wii weren`t the best and just look at their sales. "Pachter says he believes Microsoft and Sony will continue to reduce the price of their consoles going forward, and if the Wii U is too expensive compared with those alternatives, it could be in for trouble." That didn`t stop both PS2 and PS1 to be generation leaders despite having cheaper consoles on the market when they arrived. |
This is what people like you don't get: 50% is not enough! The ps3 is litterally 10 times more powerful than the PS2 and the PS2 was 10 times more powerful than the PS1. THe dreamcast on the otherhand was only about 2-4 times better than the previous generation and look what happened: it sold a mediocre amount of consoles until the real heavy hitters launched and it was destroyed.
The Wii U will not sell well because it isn't that much stronger than the current gen and it will be weaker than the next gen competition.
To those that bring up the controller as an example of how it may succeed, keep this in mind: Nintendo has basically alienated third parties, and what do third parties make? Oh that's right, most of the HD games.
P.S. LOL at Ghost Recon Online. A port of an already free PC shooter doesn't count!
Prediction for console Lifetime sales:
Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million
[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]
3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m
I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.
[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]
Eddie_Raja said:
This is what people like you don't get: 50% is not enough! The ps3 is litterally 10 times more powerful than the PS2 and the PS2 was 10 times more powerful than the PS1. THe dreamcast on the otherhand was only about 2-4 times better than the previous generation and look what happened: it sold a mediocre amount of consoles until the real heavy hitters launched and it was destroyed. The Wii U will not sell well because it isn't that much stronger than the current gen and it will be weaker than the next gen competition. To those that bring up the controller as an example of how it may succeed, keep this in mind: Nintendo has basically alienated third parties, and what do third parties make? Oh that's right, most of the HD games.
P.S. LOL at Ghost Recon Online. A port of an already free PC shooter doesn't count! |
If the Wii U was only 50% more powerful than the PS3 in the same way that the PS3 was 10 times as powerful as the PS2, how can the Wii U render a tech demo which is as impressive as anything that has been released to the HD consoles at 1080p @60fps while also rendering to a controller that has a decent resolution (probably) at 60fps?
edit: Similar quality graphical output while rendering 5 times as many pixels = 50% improvement?
The thing is, Wii U hardware is very outdated, and it is not even released yet. It is here to compete with this generation of consoles, not the next. And when next-gen comes, Wii U will be screwed.
I even doubt it doing well now, before the actual next generation. My guess would be, that once the initial "wow, a new console" will end, and the hardcore Nintendo fans will have bought this, it won't even sell as much as PS3 or 360 anymore. (Assuming it costs more than the other two) Especially since most big (Not Nintendo) games will still be multiplatform, (I doubt we would see 100 million dollar exclusive to Wii U) making even less of a reason to get a Wii U.
And it seems like many people simply can't imagine what could be achieved with "actually new" hardware, and greatly underestimate what could be done with an Xbox 720 or Playstation 4. The jump to next Playstation and Xbox, will be just as significant as from PS2 to PS3.
Comparing PS3/360 to Wii U is like comparing PS2 to first Xbox, there is the slight edge, but nothing significant, and it will be simply blown away by Xbox 720 and Playstation 4!
(To me it seems) all the factors are against the Wii U succeeding...
PS. Wii U hardware IS last generation!
HappySqurriel said:
If the Wii U was only 50% more powerful than the PS3 in the same way that the PS3 was 10 times as powerful as the PS2, how can the Wii U render a tech demo which is as impressive as anything that has been released to the HD consoles at 1080p @60fps while also rendering to a controller that has a decent resolution (probably) at 60fps? edit: Similar quality graphical output while rendering 5 times as many pixels = 50% improvement? |
OMG so many things to respond to:
1.) Outputing on two displays doesn't take double the power. Oh and the PS3 could output on two two HD screens since launch. Actually my netbook can too lol.
2.) Really you think the PS3 doesn't have 1080p games at 60fps? IT DOES! While few and not that great, they do exist; and let's say the Wii U can do it too with all of the best games, that really is only about 50%.
3.)Compare Killzone 3 to Killzone 1. Then compare the Wii U's tech demo to the PS3 and 360's first tech demos. Really you think the difference between the two consoles is that big? LOL!
4.) So where is this 5x the pixels thing? 1366x728 = 720p, so the Wii U, can do somewhere around 3000p? Cool have fun finding a TV with that!
OWNED!
Prediction for console Lifetime sales:
Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million
[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]
3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m
I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.
[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]
"The thing is, Wii U hardware is very outdated, and it is not even released yet. It is here to compete with this generation of consoles, not the next. And when next-gen comes, Wii U will be screwed."
Although I think the system has problems, the tech is not one of them, due to the fact that budgets are way too high, and and that going as big a leap again will shoot developers in the foot, Some are anxious to show off even more, but they can't wrap their heads around the fact that they can't afford to do so.
So no, being lower specs will not be what hurts this system. Higher specs will just hurt developers even more than they were hurt this gen.
A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.
Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs