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Seece said:
HappySqurriel said:
I'm going to wait and see before I count out the Wii U's graphics as "on par" with the current HD consoles, because it is likely that these games are running at 1080p @60fps vs the sub-720p and below 30fps performance of many HD console games, and I doubt many of the visuals we have seen are representative of what the system can do; on top of that I believe many of the people who are making this complaint would make it regardless of what was demoed, and they would claim that Crysis 2 at 1080p with ultra-high detail was essentially a HD console game.

On the topic of third party support, the developers don't have to "jump ship" and getting significant third party support is probably much easier with this system than with the Wii. Rather than Nintendo having to fight publishers to devote $10 to $20 Million to producing a game from the ground up for the Wii, Nintendo can argue for $5 to $10 Million be devoted to produce an enhanced port for the Wii U; and since this would be used by strong teams to create enhanced versions of good games this money would probably result in better results for everyone.


I wasn't talking about devs jumping ship, I was talking about core gamers.

What happens next gen though when PS4 and 720 are miles ahead again? It'll be the same scenario all over again.

Do you really believe that the PS4 and 720 will be ahead? It is getting harder and more expensive to produce quality graphics. You see this with PC games making very few drastic advancements over the last few years. Crysis is still one of the best looking games of this generation and it came out in 2007 for example. I think it's safe to say that if there is a difference it won't be as significant as that between the Wii and PS360, and games would be possible to port without a total reworking of the system. Furthermore, we have no idea of the Wii U's specifications nor do we have an idea of its abilities. We know however, at the start of its life, it will be able to play some games that push current HD consoles to their limits, and with how Nintendo works, probably at 60 fps and 1080p. Graphics are far less important, and will continue to be until computer technology allows for cost effective significant advancements. 



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TomaTito said:
Seece said:


I wasn't talking about devs jumping ship, I was talking about core gamers.

What happens next gen though when PS4 and 720 are miles ahead again? It'll be the same scenario all over again.

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It wont be ez i know that much. If the graphics are the same, the core wont care,they will not buy yet another system just to play their games. The same goes if the online is not that much better. THe graphics are going to have to leap to really grab core. IM not talking PS2-GC, im talking PS2-Xbox at the very least. 3rd party exclusives, im not seeing it. MOre and more devs are getting away from doing exclusives and thats the way it should be. Unless Ninty wants to moneyhat like SOny and MS does or whatever they do behind closed doors. Ninty has not been known to do this.
If they do these things, it wont be cheap. THe controller already looks expensive as hell and a big hardware leap cant be cheap. We'll be talking about a console that cost about 400 the least, not exactly user friendly prices.



Seece said:
HappySqurriel said:
I'm going to wait and see before I count out the Wii U's graphics as "on par" with the current HD consoles, because it is likely that these games are running at 1080p @60fps vs the sub-720p and below 30fps performance of many HD console games, and I doubt many of the visuals we have seen are representative of what the system can do; on top of that I believe many of the people who are making this complaint would make it regardless of what was demoed, and they would claim that Crysis 2 at 1080p with ultra-high detail was essentially a HD console game.

On the topic of third party support, the developers don't have to "jump ship" and getting significant third party support is probably much easier with this system than with the Wii. Rather than Nintendo having to fight publishers to devote $10 to $20 Million to producing a game from the ground up for the Wii, Nintendo can argue for $5 to $10 Million be devoted to produce an enhanced port for the Wii U; and since this would be used by strong teams to create enhanced versions of good games this money would probably result in better results for everyone.


I wasn't talking about devs jumping ship, I was talking about core gamers.

What happens next gen though when PS4 and 720 are miles ahead again? It'll be the same scenario all over again.





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MaxwellGT2000 said:

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Haha, I don't think so Maxwell

Don't go locking threads just because they're not pro Nintendo ok? I already cleared this with a mod, it was not flambait at all, Nintendo specifically said 'We will win back the core' and now I'm asking how.

The online thing IS obvious, MS and Sony are 1 gen ahead of them, self explanatory :-S



 

Anyone not interested in U isn't a gamer at all, core, casual or otherwise.

 

Its been said.

 

 

Edit: and how are we still talking about graphics...  the last thing I was thinking about today was how the games will look.



Seece said:

I really am puzzled by what I've seen. The graphics are on par with PS360, so no that isn't a box ticked Reggie.

He claims it'll have online but won't talk about it, whatever it is, it won't be better than Xbox Live or PSN for obvious reasons. (MS and Sony being ahead by 1 gen and the massive development it needs, thought this was obvious but some got offended by my lack of no explanation )

3rd party support? Why would core gamers jump ship? Not to mention 720 will likely be shown next E3, for release in 2013, before the WiiU releases, and show a massive upgrade that will really get core gamers excited.

The core aspects of WiiU are already on PS360, and have been for 5/6 years ...

that is the part that makes this console reallly baffeling to me right now ... who the hell is the market?  anyone other than the nintendo faithful?!?

i dunno, it is probably too early to make a verdict but the initial impressions aren't going well imo.



i am already sold on this console, and if Nintendo can get the support of the Japanese Developers i am totally going from being an all 3 consoles guy to a single console guy :D



We'll see... this feels like a deja vu.... a lot of people claiming nintendo will fail... just look at the wii, #1 home console this gen n i doubt is going to change.

Still more than a year for the launch let's wait....