I dunno, most critics said Forza Motorsport 3 was a btter game then GT5, and as someone who owns every GT and Forza game, I'll second that. Having in car view on every car is a big deal, and the overall quality was greater in Forza. However this is why they are compeditors, just like a Ford Mustang and Chevy Camero, they each have their strengths. Just because most people gave Forza 3 higher ratings doesn't make it a better game for everyone. However Forza 4 will definatly be better then Forza 3, and to most people that automatically puts it above GT5 as well.

Also, what reviews reccomended Gran Turismo? I know IGN and Gametrailers (Two sites I follow reviews more closely) said, in the GT5 review, that Forza was a better game. Most reviews I read were dissapointed in GT5, thats why it got a lower score then Forza 3.

I count Halo CEA because it's a rebuilt game, by a different development team and it's been in development for over a year. ICO and God of War Collections are direct ports of old games. They didn't cost as much to produce, were not in development as long, nor do they push the PS3 graphically as much as Halo CEA does. However I'm not going to argue tidbits, if you don't want to consider Halo CEA a AAA title, that's fine, but then Halo 4 still remains as the only AAA title announced at this years E3.

Witcher is console exclusive, just like Dust 514 :P Pity that.

Why are you bringing up past 2011 titles? I only refer to E3, MS had a better press conference, and for fall 360 and PS3 have about a similar lineup. Yes overall PS3 has a better year, and it's about time. Since 2006 360 has been having a better selection of games every year, 2011 finally marks the year of the PS3.

PS3 exclusives coming soon:Resistance 3, Twisted Metal, Uncharted 3, SOTC/ICO collection, GOW collection (second version), and Medevil Moves.

Xbox 360 exclusives coming soon: Forza 4, Gears 3, Halo CEA, Witcher 2, Dance Central 2, Kinect Sports 2

If you're going to count ports, you should still count Dance Central 2 and Kinect Sports 2. Play them, they are just like Sly, Mario, and Zelda. Fun for all ages, and Dance Central is a high rated game. Lets not forget all the other Kinect games like Steel Batallion, and Rise of Nightmares that also have a 2011 release date too.

"Lets not count all the exclusive content coming to the PS3 versions of multiplats this year and next year"

Um.... 360 has a lot of that too. This E3, all the exclusive content PS3 games got was that Bioshock Infinite is Move supportive. Well Mass Effect 3 is Kinect enhanced, so is Ghost Recon along with all future Tom Clancy Games, then every EA Sports game, among others. PS3 games aren't the only ones getting exclusive content. Yea you may want to say, but Battlefield gets a 2 year old Arcade game free too! So what, have you tried to play Battlefield 1943 online recently? It's hard to fill up a game nowdays. As for Bioshock, you can pick up the 360 version for $10, and chances are, if you're interested in Bioshock Infinite, you already beat Bioshock 1.

Overall, for E3 announcements 360 > PS3, but barely, and only because of Halo 4 (the only AAA title announced). For fall 360 = PS3, it's really a matter of preference. For 2011 as a whole PS3 > 360, I never raised this arguement.

 STAGE: Oh god you're doing it again. You're listing a Kinect title as AAA.

Michael: Stop with this bullshit, the entire thread is quoted above, never did I list any Kinect title as AAA. I only include them in a list of good games to play. You're including a God of War and ICO port, why can't I include Dance Central 2, a game which will likely get an 8-9/10 rating?

Even if you want to remove Kinect Sports, Dance Central 2 should still remain. I know it's Kinect, but core gamers can play games like this too. I mean you count Sly Cooper as a good PS3 game for 2012? How is this any less attractive for the core gamer?

Stage: We already had a talk before about this and agreed Dance Central and Kinect Sports aren't AAA titles. Stop doing that man because you know it isn't true. Don't make me list move titles (which is cheap additions really. No matter which way you slice Sony still has more games.) If you prefer the Xbox 360's titles that a matter of preference and I agree they are nice with the Witcher 2 and Gears 3. I mean seriously, you guys are finally getting something and you had to wait half a year just to get it.

Michael 5: This is all I really want to drive. The difference between PS3's lineup and 360's is a matter of preference. If you ignore Kinect Sports, but still count Medevil Moves, PS3 does have more games. However 360 has more new ones, and yes I put Halo Remake on a level above some old PS2 or PSP ports, the game was rebuilt, ground up to run on a different engine.

Both Systems have about the same number of exclusives comming out, and really third party games fill in that void. PS3 only has 3 blockbuster titles releasing this fall (Res3, UC3, TM) and well to me 360 has 4 (Forza4, Halo CEA, Gears 3, Witcher 2). But PS3 has some ports too, it's about the same, a matter of preference. Bioshock, Battlefield, CoD, Skyrim, Batman, Dues Ex, etc fill in any spare time someone who only has 1 HD console may have.

Stage: Loook at GT5's reviews. Even though people were disappointed in it they recommended it over the other racing offerings.

Michael 5: I have. IGN particularly trashed GT5, saying that the game was nowhere nearly as good as Forza 3, and gave it an 8.5/10. Gametrailers also said that in the year since Forza 3, GT5 really doesn't add much. Forza 3 got better reviews and was released 1 year earlier. Even if you personally feel GT5 was better, that's just because it's newer. Forza 4 will be the best, hands down.

Regardless, Forza is AAA wheather you like it or not, and really it's about the same level of quality as GT5. You can't Forza, have you even really played it? You know, over an hour?

Stage: SOTC is Shadow of the Colossus. I recommend it, because it is a classic. Team ICO is selling it to build up a following for the Last Guardian. It is being revitalized in 720 P just like the new GOW collection from the PSP is. It stands in the same category as the Halo collection. Then again...I can see why you would think Halo was AAA. Microsoft feeds us gamers shooter after shooter and then serves another shooter. They are completely out of touch with the core gamer and this E3 showed it.

Michael 5: Oh, you separated SOTC from ICO, so I saw ICO collection, and didn't get this one. That being in touch with gamer deal, I'm not sure I agree with that. They removed BC from PS3 to save money, and now they are releasing PS2 games as part of collections. Yea ICO goes 3D, but how few people have a 3D tv? I look at this as a cash grab. MS feeds shooters because they are popular in Americas. PS3 really has the same number of shooters as 360, they just aren't as big (saleswise). (Halo, Gears, Left 4 Dead vs. Killzone, Uncharted, and Resistance)

Stage: As for Xbox getting extra stuff, Kinect is getting kinect support. Sony is getting exclusive content period. Theres a difference. Not once did I bring up the extra move support, did I?

Michae 5: Then what exclusive content are you talking about? Microsoft is getting that massive system upgrade, Kinect FunLabs, tv off XBL (Since I don't have cable, thats big for me), and well a lot more then PSN. Also other then Bioshock, are any other 3rd party games getting Move support?

Stage: Secondly the reason Microsoft is no longer getting DUST 512 or whatever is probably because the company wants to crossplatform their online with Sony/PC and Microsoft barred that so they can profit off of every move you make. DUST is an MMO Shooter I believe; I could care less really as I've played enough FPS titles for a lifetime and I can truly say I enjoyed them the most on PC. The only Shooter that has turned my head is Rage and Deus Ex: Human Evolution. I'll possibly play Duke Nukem out of sheer respect for "The Duke". Someone at my dormatory will probably have to lend it to me because I know some poor sucker will buy it in all its low res glory.

Michael 5: I'm not a fan of Dust 514 either, and I won't bs that I am like most people here. How many people who saw Dust 514 have ever considered playing Eve online?

Wow, If you're not into shooters, what exclusives are you interested in anymore? Uncharted, Resistance, Gears, Halo are all shooters. Even the big 3rd party games.

You seem to dislike more games then you're interested in. lol.

Look, I love both the PS3 and 360. I also recently got a Wii. This whole silly debate came because you wanted to dismiss Forza as a large scale AAA franchise. Like it or not, it's big competition for GT, and Forza 4 will probably sell over 5 million units, maybe ever 5 million from non bundled sales (Forza 3 will likely end up with 3.5-4 million non-bundled sales, Forza 2 had 1.5-2.5 million). In reality the difference between PS3 and 360 is a matter of preference. I won't lie, I do like 360 exclusives better then PS3's. I'm a mage fan of Shooter, RPG's, and racing games, and the most appealing franchises to me this gen are Fallout, Forza, Gears, GT, Halo, Mass Effect, and Uncharted. Plus Microsoft has seen a lot of great JRPG support. I won't lie when I say I prefer 360 games (although I hate MS as a comapny), but I can see why people like PS3 games too. This fall is just a matter of preference. Uncharted, or Gears, Resistance or Halo, Forza or Twisted Metal.

P.S. Gears 3 could win GOTY over Uncharted 3. metascore for Gears is consistantly 9.4/10, Uncharted 1 scored terribly, and UC2 was only a little above Uncharted. With a strong multiplayer component, and the most development time. Gears 3 is looking to be the best Gears yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it rated higher then Uncharted. Besides if Mass Effect 3 released this year, that would have been GOTY no contest.