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brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
homer said:

Worst case scenario is that people decide to port ps3/360 games to the cafe, making its library extremely similar to the competition, and no one decides to upgrade because 3rd parties are unwilling to put effort into using the wii2 to its full potential/the better version. It simply becomes a port machine. Then ps4/xbox 3 come around offering better graphics and such. 3rd parties jump onto these consoles and the wii 2 gets dumbed down ports like the wii. After the gen is over, we realize that the only people who actually used the wii 2 to its full potential was nintendo...

This is off topic, but I think the xbox 3 will win next gen only because of weak competition. It may be too early, but remember this either so you can laugh at me in the future, or so you can praise my random guess that happened to be correct...


Couple things i see similiar.but also do you think that Nintendo will go for shiny graphics?they didn't even used full potential of Wii.and does Mario,Zelda fans cares about graphics?i don't think so but i agree about port machine and leaving behind but Nintendo also showed they do not need 3rd partis to make big money and because of lack of 3rd party support they made big money on games.We will see.

Xbox 3 would win easly if they would buy Take Two and rockstar insted of Skype.They do not have many first part devs.Sony basicly have 3 times more first party studios.thats a problem for MS because this time they can't count on 3rd party exclusives because no one don't won't to make them and even Epic after GOW 3 is going fully multiplatform(they got deal with MS for 3 GOWs) because when they saw how much would they earned with multiplatform they don't won't to continue this(they obviously didn't expect the sucess of GOW).



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brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
NJ5 said:
brazylianwisnia said:


1,As i said again "If it will be" inferior not "it will be".If they will put GPU more powerful than GTX 580 than it will be whole other story.but i don't believe they will make high-end console with controlers containing HD Touch screen cause it would blow the price through the roof.

2.yes if Cafe will be powerful for 2012 standards and not 2007 standards(like Wii and specifications from 5 year back)

3.Sony have to go high end.that's their reputation as company and they are beeing recognized as a high end stuff company.But they will never spend 2 bilions $ again to develop their own CPU or GPU they will just go for high end 3rd party CPU and GPU.MS was profitable on hardware from day one and X360 have very similiar power as PS3.

So it depends on Nintendo and it's Cafe.If Nintendo will go high end than they will be on par with PS4/X3.If not they will have problem.even if they will have 2 problems:

1.they do not have exclusives for gamers who play GOW,GT,Halo,Forza,Killzone etc.

2.for 3rd parties it's better to make games for 130mln(as of Cafe start) audiance(PS3 and X360 combined)

than for 2mln audiance of Cafe so it will have difficult first year and the kickstart won't give them nothing.

I didn't see any "if" in your first post of this thread but apologies if I misunderstood anything.

As for Sony's reputation being for "high end" stuff, that's not really true. PS1 and PS2 anyone?

here you go

"And as i said if Cafe will be so technologicaly inferior to PS4/X3 like Wii was to PS3/X360 (...)"



Viper1 on 01 June 2011
brazylianwisnia said:

Couple things i see similiar.but also do you think that Nintendo will go for shiny graphics?they didn't even used full potential of Wii.

Xbox 3 would win easly if they would buy Take Two and rockstar insted of Skype.They do not have many first part devs.Sony basicly have 3 times more first party studios.thats a problem for MS because this time they can't count on 3rd party exclusives because no one don't won't to make them and even Epic after GOW 3 is going fully multiplatform(they got deal with MS for 3 GOWs) because when they saw how much would they earned with multiplatform they don't won't to continue this(they obviously didn't expect the sucess of GOW).

Guess you missed the SNES, N64 and GC days when they were eitehr the graphics leader or damn close.

And you just stated that 3rd parties like the concept of multiplatform because it expands their sales base and that's exactly what Nintendo is trying to offer them with Project Cafe.



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homer on 01 June 2011
brazylianwisnia said:
homer said:

Worst case scenario is that people decide to port ps3/360 games to the cafe, making its library extremely similar to the competition, and no one decides to upgrade because 3rd parties are unwilling to put effort into using the wii2 to its full potential/the better version. It simply becomes a port machine. Then ps4/xbox 3 come around offering better graphics and such. 3rd parties jump onto these consoles and the wii 2 gets dumbed down ports like the wii. After the gen is over, we realize that the only people who actually used the wii 2 to its full potential was nintendo...

This is off topic, but I think the xbox 3 will win next gen only because of weak competition. It may be too early, but remember this either so you can laugh at me in the future, or so you can praise my random guess that happened to be correct...


Couple things i see similiar.but also do you think that Nintendo will go for shiny graphics?they didn't even used full potential of Wii.and does Mario,Zelda fans cares about graphics?i don't think so but i agree about port machine and leaving behind but Nintendo also showed they do not need 3rd partis to make big money and because of lack of 3rd party support they made big money on games.We will see.

 

I never said nintendo would not profit from the wii 2. If Nintendo can profit from the GCN, we know they can weather nearly anything lol.



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NJ5 on 01 June 2011
brazylianwisnia said:
NJ5 said:

I didn't see any "if" in your first post of this thread but apologies if I misunderstood anything.

As for Sony's reputation being for "high end" stuff, that's not really true. PS1 and PS2 anyone?

here you go

"And as i said if Cafe will be so technologicaly inferior to PS4/X3 like Wii was to PS3/X360 (...)"

Here is your first post in this thread:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4075800

No "ifs" there. But maybe you changed your opinion since then...



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milkyjoe on 01 June 2011
TomaTito said:

Adult games? Have a look at this article

That is an absolutely fantastic article, the writer has pretty much nailed every problem that I have with gaming today and the mature ideals currently put forward in such a terrible way.



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psrock on 01 June 2011

Sadly, they had to come out with the next Gen anyway, their current console lost too much steam, and was getting no support. 

The Wii for as successful as it was, is leaving in a pretty dull fashion. 

 

And keep thinking the next Xbox/PS4 will be close to this coffee console. 



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brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
Viper1 said:
brazylianwisnia said:


1. Nobody will be putting a GTX 580 (or similar GPU) into their consoles.  They cost more than the entire consoles just by themselves.

3. MS did not profit on X360 hardware from day 1.

I don't won't to be meen but i work as a technologist in one of the company that produces RAM.

And i now  something about producing GPUs and CPUs costs.

If GPU cost 400$ on shelf it cost to produce is a little above 100$ and with potential contract for 50-100mln GPUs(Best sold ever GPUs for PC sold around 4-5mln) contract the profit which NVIDIA would take around 4-5$ on one GPU.These are the cost of manufactring for today.if console would be maid for late 2012 start it would cost 60$ with profit of Nvidia.In 2013 these would be around 45$.

So judging by past in next console there will be put GPU for around 110$ so if X3/PS3 will start late 2012 you can expect modified 2xGPU SLI from end of this year with mid power consumption with power around 2xGTX580.look when ps3 started in 2006 it contained RSX which is compared to 2x6800Ultra combined in SLI,the video card from 2004) so it's not lot to expect to have 2x 2010 cards combined in SLI for 2012/2013 hardware.and X360 debuted in 2005 and have even better GPU.PS3 wasn't expensive because of GPU it,was BD,and second CPU from PS2 that made the price 150$ higher than it could be.if PS3 would debuted as naked consol only with DVD and CPU from Intel it would have the same gaming capabilities but it could start for 349$.



brazylianwisnia on 01 June 2011
Viper1 said:
brazylianwisnia said:

Couple things i see similiar.but also do you think that Nintendo will go for shiny graphics?they didn't even used full potential of Wii.

Xbox 3 would win easly if they would buy Take Two and rockstar insted of Skype.They do not have many first part devs.Sony basicly have 3 times more first party studios.thats a problem for MS because this time they can't count on 3rd party exclusives because no one don't won't to make them and even Epic after GOW 3 is going fully multiplatform(they got deal with MS for 3 GOWs) because when they saw how much would they earned with multiplatform they don't won't to continue this(they obviously didn't expect the sucess of GOW).

Guess you missed the SNES, N64 and GC days when they were eitehr the graphics leader or damn close.

And you just stated that 3rd parties like the concept of multiplatform because it expands their sales base and that's exactly what Nintendo is trying to offer them with Project Cafe.

I will say it once again:

If Cafe will be truly high end console nearly on par with PS4/X3 than they will have 3rd party support but if

it will be inferior as Wii to PS3/X360 than they won't have much support.but i won't believe it will be technicaly similiar because their controlers will be expensive to make and they will steal the power to process the image and send it to the controler in HD(because it won't be the same image as on TV).And they won't put a console for 499$.That is my opinion and i think we are here to exchange our opinions and not to build our egos,right?



KhinRunite on 01 June 2011
brazylianwisnia said:
TomaTito said:

Adult games? Have a look at this article

Sorry for misunderstanding.by adults I think about main target for every company 20-25 year,no children,living with parents,working with budget of 800-1000$ monthly to spend on whatever he/she wants.

Oh my God. How I wish I have that much excess money monthly. I don't normally feel insecure but lol...